LTSS BTWN COMMUTER AND ACR. PLTDEV.

Date: 1991-08 · Aircraft: Light Transport; Low Wing; 2 Turboprop Eng

Anomalies: atc-issue-all-types|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-clearance

Synopsis

LTSS BTWN COMMUTER AND ACR. PLTDEV.

Narrative

ENTERED TCA FROM N AT 4000 FT HDG 140 DEG. COPLT WAS FLYING. LOS ANGELES APCH ADVISED TO EXPECT A VISUAL TO 24L TO FOLLOW ACR Y ON R DOWNWIND TO 24R. A MARINE LAYER OF LOW CLOUDS WAS OVER THE ARPT WITH BROKEN SPOTS. INLAND WAS CLR. ATIS RPTED 1200 SCATTERED; 4 MI VISIBILITY. LOS ANGELES APCH ASKED ACR Y IF HE HAD ARPT IN SIGHT. Y RESPONDED NO; NOT AT THIS TIME BUT MAYBE A DIFFERENT ANGLE. APCH TURNED HIM TO A HDG OF 140 DEG DSND TO 2500 FT. LOS ANGELES APCH ASKED US IF WE HAD ACR Y TURNING BASE. WE REPLIED WE HAD Y IN SIGHT BUT NOT THE ARPT. HE SAID WE DID NOT HAVE TO HAVE ARPT IN SIGHT; AND CLRED US FOR THE VISUAL 24L TO FOLLOW ACR Y GOING TO 24R. APCH TURNED Y TO 220 DEG AND ASKED IF HE HAD ARPT IN SIGHT; HE REPLIED NO AND APCH CLRED HIM FOR ILS 24R APCH. APCH ASKED US IF WE HAD THE ABILITY TO FOLLOW Y TO ARPT. WE REPLIED NEGATIVE. HE THEN GAVE US TURN; 360 DEG MAINTAIN 2500 FT. THIS WAS TO GET US OUT OF THE WAY OF 24 AND 25 FINALS WHICH WE WERE ABOUT TO PASS THROUGH. I ASKED L OR R TURN. HE DID NOT ACKNOWLEDGE MY CALL (MAY HAVE BEEN STEPPED ON); BUT ISSUED CLRNCS TO OTHER ACFT. I COULD SEE WE WERE ABOUT TO GO THROUGH 24 FINALS AND HDG TOWARD 25 FINALS (ACFT LINED UP). GLANCING DOWN AT DIRECTIONAL GYROSCOPE HDG 140 DEG I COULD SEE L TURN WAS SHORTEST TO GET OUT OF THERE. AFTER ROLLING OUT 360 DEG ATC SAID THE TURN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TO THE R; THEN PROCEEDED TO GIVE VECTORS TO THE ILS. AFTER LNDG; TALKING OVER WITH FO; HE SAID HE HEARD THE CALL FOR R TURN. IF TIME WAS NOT SO SHORT IN THE SITUATION AT THE TIME FURTHER CLARIFICATION COULD HAVE BEEN MADE FOR THE TURN. BUT WE HAD TO GET OUT OF THERE FAST. ALSO; I WILL SEE IF I COULD'VE BETTER USED COCKPIT RESOURCE MGMNT THEN AND IN THE FUTURE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 187613: COMMUTER X WAS ON A VISUAL APCH BEHIND ACR Y. THE WX CONDITIONS CHANGED AND ACFT X WAS TOLD TO CANCEL APCH CLRNC. ACFT X WAS GIVEN A R TURN HDG 360 DEG AND CLB AND MAINTAIN 3500. THE NEXT XMISSION ON THE TAPE WAS A READBACK OF '360 DEG; A L TURN?' THIS READBACK WAS DONE WITHOUT BENEFIT OF CALL SIGN. THE READBACK WAS NOT CAUGHT BY THE RADAR CTLR OR THE HDOF PERSON. ACFT X WAS NEXT OBSERVED IN A L TURN IN CONFLICTION WITH TFC (ACR Z) S OF HIM. ACFT X WAS THEN GIVEN A L TURN TO RESOLVE THE CONFLICT.

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