CTLR TRAINING IN PROGRESS TRACON POS OVERLOAD.

Date: 1994-01 · Aircraft: Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer

Anomalies: deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy|other-unspecified

Synopsis

CTLR TRAINING IN PROGRESS TRACON POS OVERLOAD.

Narrative

AFTER BEING HANDED OFF BY ZLA TO LAX APCH CTL; OUR RADIO XMISSIONS WERE REPEATEDLY IGNORED. OUR XMITTER WAS WORKING BECAUSE WE HEARD OTHERS RELATE THAT APCH WAS '...BLOCKED...' IN SPITE OF OUR ATTEMPTS NOT TO SPEAK OVER ANY XMISSIONS. THE FREQ WAS AS CROWDED AS I HAVE EVER HEARD AND THE CTLR WAS TALKING ALMOST NONSTOP. THE ONLY ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF OUR PRESENCE WAS A CALL BY THE CTLR TO US TO 'STANDBY.' WE SOON APCHED THE END OF THE PROFILE; ARNES; AND STILL HAD NOT RECEIVED A FURTHER CLRNC. AT THAT POINT; I TECHNICALLY SHOULD HAVE CALLED 'ENTERING HOLDING' AND WOULD HAVE MORE THAN LIKELY GOTTEN AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE. HOWEVER; THAT DID NOT SEEM TO BE A SAFE ACTION; KNOWING THAT THERE WAS A STREAM OF ACFT BEHIND ME; ALL OF WHICH WERE DSNDING TO THE SAME ALT; APCHING THE SAME FIX! IN ACTUALITY; I DID NOT EVEN NOTICE THAT THERE WAS A PUBLISHED HOLDING PATTERN AT ARNES; EVEN AFTER HAVING FLOWN THIS PROFILE DOZENS OF TIMES! MY PRIMARY CONCERN WAS TO REMAIN CLR OF TFC AND ESTABLISH 2- WAY COM. AT ANY RATE; WE CONTINUED ON THE LOC; MAINTAINING 10000 FT AND TRIED ONE MORE TIME TO GET A CLRNC BY STATING THAT WE WERE NOW '...INSIDE ARNES.' THIS APPARENTLY ONLY CONFUSED THE CTLR SINCE HE CAME BACK IMMEDIATELY WITH 'INSIDE ARNES; GO TO TWR.' WE FELT THAT GOING TO THE TWR WAS NOT REALLY WHAT THE CTLR WANTED US TO DO. HOWEVER; AFTER OUR SEEMING INABILITY TO GET ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTIVE COM ESTABLISHED WITH HIM; WE DECIDED THAT MAYBE TWR COULD AT LEAST GIVE US A CLRNC. LAX TWR HAD NO IDEA WHO OR WHERE WE WERE. AFTER WE EXPLAINED ALL THAT HE COORDINATED WITH APCH AND WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO RETURN TO THAT FREQ. UPON CHKING IN THIS TIME; WE WERE CLRED FOR THE APCH TO RWY 25L AND TOLD TO REMAIN ON '...STAY WITH ME UNTIL I TELL YOU TO CHANGE...' FREQS. UPON TALKING TO A SUPVR IN THE TRACON LATER; I WAS ASTONISHED TO LEARN THAT THE CTLR HAD A 'DEVELOPMENTAL' (STUDENT) WITH HIM! I CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT KIND OF CONSTRUCTIVE INSTRUCTION THE CTLR COULD HAVE PROVIDED WHILE BEING SATURATED. THIS MAY HAVE BEEN A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR IN THIS EVENT.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.