ALTDEV ALT OVERSHOT IN CLB.

Date: 1994-06 · Aircraft: Citation I (C500)

Anomalies: deviation-altitude-overshoot|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-clearance|other-unspecified

Synopsis

ALTDEV ALT OVERSHOT IN CLB.

Narrative

GIVING DUAL TO A RATED CE525(S) PLT; ALT ALERT WAS IGNORED; VERBAL ALERT IGNORED. PUTTING PRESSURE ON CTLS STOPPED DEV AT 400 FT. PLT CONTINUED TO TRIM UP. AGAIN ADVISED OF ALTDEV; PLT REPLIED 'THIS IS CLOSE ENOUGH; THEY WILL CLR US TO CLB IN A MIN ANYWAY.' PLT IS A 2500 HR (OVER 30 YRS) DOCTOR WHO WAS QUITE FRANKLY 'GIVEN' HIS RATING BY TRAINING FACILITY. THIS WAS HIS FIRST TRAINING IN OVER 30 YRS. WHEN HE TOOK DELIVERY OF HIS NEW ACFT 1/2 WAY THROUGH HIS SIMULATOR TRAINING HE WAS ALLOWED TO COMPLETE IT IN THE ACFT WHERE 'THEY CAN'T FAIL MUCH ON ME THERE.' I DO NOT BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO DO THIS. WHEN HE GETS 35 MORE HRS (NOW HAS 65) HE WILL BE ABLE TO GO BY HIMSELF. LOOK OUT PEOPLE; HE'S DANGEROUS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR WAS PROVIDING DUAL INSTRUCTION AS A PAID SAFETY PLT FOR THE PURPOSES OF ALLOWING THE OWNER OF THE ACFT TO ACCRUE 100 HRS OF CFI MONITORED TIME FOR INSURANCE COVERAGE QUALIFICATION. RPTR FELT HE COULD NOT BE PAID FOR THE 'OBSERVATION' TIME AND ALSO BE AUTH TO TURN THE DOCTOR PLT IN TO THE FAA FOR BEING DANGEROUS. THE RPTR FELT THE OWNER WAS DANGEROUS FOR SEVERAL REASONS. FIRST OF ALL; HE HAD NO PREVIOUS TURBINE TIME EXCEPT FOR ABOUT 100 HRS IN A CHEYENNE. HE HAD ABOUT 8-10 HRS IN THE C-525 BEFORE HE WENT FOR HIS TYPE RATING WHICH TOOK HIM ALL DAY; NOT THE NORMAL 1 1/2 HRS FOR AVERAGE PLTS. HIS SIMULATOR TRAINING WAS NOT COMPLETE. HIS KNOWLEDGE AND OPERATING TECHNIQUES WITH THE AUTOPLT IS MARGINAL. HIS EXPERIENCE LEVEL IN THE ACFT AT HIGH ALT IS VERY LOW AND MARGINAL; WITH HIS ATTITUDE OF REQUIRED OXYGEN MASKS BEING QUITE NEGATIVE; WEARING IT AROUND HIS NECK AND NOT ON HIS FACE AT FL410. HE ACKNOWLEDGED CLRNCS WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THEM. HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE BASICS IN MACH BUFFET OR HIGH ALT STALL RECOVERY TECHNIQUES. THE DOCTOR IS 63 YRS OF AGE AND REFUSES TO FLY IN COMPANY OF ANY OTHER PLT; ONLY HIS GIRL FRIENDS. THE OWNER IS IN QUEST OF YOUTHFUL ENDEAVORS AND HAS TAKEN UP SKY DIVING AS WELL. THE RPTR'S MAIN COMPLAINT IS PARALLEL WITH THE OWNER'S ATTITUDE IS THE METHODOLOGY THE MANUFACTURER USES IN TRAINING OWNER PLTS WHICH IS A 'NO FAIL' TYPE OP. HE FEELS THE TRAINING RECEIVED WAS VERY INADEQUATE AND THAT THE PLT IS NOT QUALIFIED FOR HIGH ALT OP ALONG WITH ACR ACFT. RPTR WAS COUNSELED WITH THE INFO OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE FAA HOTLINE BUT HE FELT HE COULDN'T USE THAT AS THAT WAS AGAINST HIS PRINCIPLES. HE HAD BEEN HIRED TO 'RIDE' WITH THE OWNER AND COULD NOT THEN TURN HIM IN.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.