FLC CONFUSION WITH APCH CLRNC CAUSES DSCNT BELOW XING RESTR AT FUELR INTXN ON THE ILS RWY 25L APCH AT LAX.

Date: 1996-07 · Aircraft: Commercial Fixed Wing · Phase: approach

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Synopsis

FLC CONFUSION WITH APCH CLRNC CAUSES DSCNT BELOW XING RESTR AT FUELR INTXN ON THE ILS RWY 25L APCH AT LAX.

Narrative

ON HDOF TO SOCAL APCH JUST OUTSIDE ARNES WE RECEIVED APCH CLRNC FOR THE ILS TO RWY 25L; LAX. WE ALSO RECEIVED A SPD REDUCTION TO 210 KTS. NO MENTION OF ANY POINT IN SPACE OR ALT RESTRS TO SAID APCH WAS RECEIVED. AS WE SLOWED AND DSNDED WE COMMENCED TO USE THE RWY 25L GS FOR VERT GUIDANCE. SOMEWHERE NEAR FUELR WE APPARENTLY INFRINGED ON SOME OTHER AIRSPACE PARAMETERS AS SOCAL INFORMED US WE WERE TO CROSS FUELR AT OR ABOVE 8000 FT. OUR BELIEF IS THAT CLRNC FOR THE APCH AT ARNES GIVES US ACCESS TO ALL ELEMENTS OF THAT APCH (INCLUDING A GS) THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTED AND DEEMED REASONABLE AND RELIABLE. PERHAPS THE CIVET STAR SHOULD EXTEND TO FUELR WITH ALT RESTRS; WITH THE ILS 25L COMMENCING FROM THAT POINT. THE ALT RESTRS LISTED ON ANY ILS APCH PLATE ARE TYPICALLY USED FOR LOC ONLY APCHS WHERE THE GS IS UNAVAILABLE. THIS FACT FURTHER COMPLICATES MATTERS. AT NO TIME ON OUR APCH DID WE DEVIATE FROM THE ILS APCH GUIDANCE BY MORE THAN 1/2 DOT. CONVERSATION ON THE GND BASICALLY SEEMED TO ADDRESS THE 'CLRED FOR THE APCH' ISSUE AND WHAT EACH PARTY (SOCAL AND FLC) INTERPRETED IT.

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