AN LTT AT CLE; OH; HAS A RWY INCURSION.

Date: 1998-01 · Aircraft: Commercial Fixed Wing

Anomalies: deviation-discrepancy-procedural-clearance|ground-incursion-runway

Synopsis

AN LTT AT CLE; OH; HAS A RWY INCURSION.

Narrative

WE WERE CLRED ACROSS RWY 23L TO RWY 23R; POS AND HOLD. FO READ CLRNC BACK. DUE TO THE ANGLE OF RWY 28 AND RWY 23L; I COULD NOT SEE ARR TFC TO RWY 23L FROM THE L SIDE OF THE AIRPLANE WHILE HOLDING SHORT ON RWY 28. I STARTED THE R TURN TO CROSS RWY 23L. THE FO CALLED 'TFC ON SHORT FINAL;' SO I STOPPED. I WAS STILL NOT IN A POS TO ACTUALLY SEE THE TFC. I TOLD THE FO TO TELL THE TWR WE HAD STOPPED AND WERE OVER THE HOLD LINES. AT THIS POINT THE NOSE OF THE AIRPLANE WAS OVER (BEYOND) THE HOLD LINES; BUT STILL QUITE A DISTANCE FROM THE EDGE LINES THAT DEFINE THE RWY. TWR TOLD THE OTHER AIRPLANE TO GAR ON ABOUT A 2 MI FINAL. CLE DEP GAVE US THE TWR NUMBER AND ASKED ME TO CALL WHEN I GOT ON THE GND. WE DISCUSSED WHY I STOPPED AND SHE REQUESTED THAT I HAVE A LITTLE MORE FAITH IN THEM. WHEN DISCUSSING THIS WITH THE FO (NEW HIRE); HE FELT LIKE HE HAD OVER RESPONDED; BUT WAS SURPRISED TO SEE AN AIRPLANE COME OUT OF THE CLOUDS AFTER READING BACK THE XING CLRNC. HE BELIEVED THE AIRPLANE WAS CLOSER. I DON'T REMEMBER THE CTLR GIVING A DISTANCE ADVISORY ON/WITH THE XING CLRNC; HOWEVER; THEY MAY HAVE ISSUED IT. THE YOUNG LADY I TALKED TO OVER THE PHONE SAID IT WAS STILL 2 1/2 MI OUT AT THE TIME. I DO BELIEVE THE CTLR'S INSTRUCTIONS WERE GOOD; HOWEVER FROM MY POS; WHEN MY FO SAYS THERE'S A TFC CONFLICT THAT I CAN'T SEE; I HAVE TO BELIEVE HIM/HER. WE ERRED ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE. THE INTXN AND RWY ARRANGEMENT AT CLE HAVE BEEN A GREAT SOURCE OF PAIN AND POTENTIAL MISHAPS FOR A LOT OF PLTS AND CTLRS; EVEN WITH ALL LIGHTING IMPROVEMENTS.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.