AN EMB120 FO'S RPT ON ENCOUNTERING WAKE TURB BEHIND A B737 WHILE ON RADAR VECTORS INTO SAN. THE PIC HAD DELAYED HIS VECTORED TURN IN TRAIL BEHIND THE B737 BECAUSE OF CONCERN OVER THEIR PROX TO THE PRECEDING B737. APCH CTLR DIDN'T SEEM CONCERNED ABOUT THE IN TRAIL SETUP.

Date: 1998-10 · Aircraft: Brasilia EMB-120 All Series

Anomalies: deviation-track-heading-all-types|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-clearance|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy|inflight-event-encounter-other-unknown|other-unspecified

Synopsis

AN EMB120 FO'S RPT ON ENCOUNTERING WAKE TURB BEHIND A B737 WHILE ON RADAR VECTORS INTO SAN. THE PIC HAD DELAYED HIS VECTORED TURN IN TRAIL BEHIND THE B737 BECAUSE OF CONCERN OVER THEIR PROX TO THE PRECEDING B737. APCH CTLR DIDN'T SEEM CONCERNED ABOUT THE IN TRAIL SETUP.

Narrative

ENRTE FOR LNDG AT SAN; WE WERE BEING VECTORED FOR APCH BY SOCAL ON 125.3 MHZ. OUR HDG WAS APPROX 120 DEGS. WE NOTICED A TARGET ON OUR TCASII 1 MI N AT 2000 FT ABOVE US. SOCAL ASKED IF WE COULD SEE AN ACR B737 AT THE SAME PLACE AS THE TARGET ON OUR TCASII. WE RPTED 'LOOKING.' MY CAPT TOLD SOCAL THAT WE WERE SLOWING; AND THAT WE COULD TAKE A VISUAL APCH IN FRONT OF THE B737 (IN ORDER TO AVOID WAKE TURB). WITH NO REPLY TO OUR REQUEST; SOCAL TOLD US TO TURN TO 090 DEGS. MY CAPT CALLED THE B737 IN SIGHT (SINCE WE HAD SLOWED; THE B737 WAS NOW IN FRONT OF US BY APPROX 2 NM) AND EXPRESSED CONCERN FOR WAKE TURB IF WE WERE TO TURN TO 090 DEGS. SOCAL DSNDED THE B737 TO 5000 FT; AND THEN INSISTED THAT WE TURN TO 090 DEGS. MY CAPT DELAYED THE TURN AND AGAIN EXPRESSED CONCERN FOR WAKE TURB. SOCAL SAID THAT IF WE HAD A PROB HE WOULD GIVE US A PHONE NUMBER TO CALL. WE COPIED THE PHONE NUMBER. DURING THE TURN TO 090 DEGS; WE HIT WAKE TURB. WHEN SOCAL GAVE US A FREQ CHANGE; WE ADVISED THEM THAT WE HAD HIT WAKE TURB; AND THAT WE WOULD INCLUDE THAT IN OUR 'RPT.' DUE TO OUR SCHEDULE AND ACTIVITIES IN SAN; WE WERE UNABLE TO MAKE A PHONE CALL TO SOCAL. I BELIEVE THAT ALL INVOLVED; PLTS AND CTLRS; ACTED UNPROFESSIONALLY; AND THAT THIS WAKE TURB ENCOUNTER COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF ALL PARTIES HAD WORKED TOGETHER INSTEAD OF AGAINST EACH OTHER. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE FO STATED THAT PERHAPS THE CTLR MIGHT HAVE BEEN MORE CONSIDERATE OF THE PIC'S REQUEST HAD THE CAPT SHOWN MORE TACT IN HIS REQUEST FOR BEING #1 ACFT. THE CAPT WAS A BIT HARSH AND TOO DIRECT; A SORT OF 'IN YOUR FACE' APCH THAT TURNED THE APCH CTLR 'OFF.' THE B737 WAS ABOUT 6 MI FROM THE TRAILING ACFT; TURNED TO THE E HDG FOR THE HIGH DOWNWIND LEG FOR SAN RWY 27. THE CAPT WAS KNOWN TO THIS FO AS BEING 'HOT HEADED' ABOUT WAKE TURB AND SOMETIMES TURNING TO HDGS OTHER THAN THAT GIVEN FOR 'WAKE TURB' SEPARATION. THIS OCCURRED MORE THAN ONE TIME AND WAS USUALLY ASSOCIATED WITH FREQ CONGESTION SITS WHERE THE PIC COULD NOT MAKE A REQUEST. THE FO VOLUNTEERED THE FEELING; WHICH AGREED WITH THE ANALYST'S THOUGHTS; THAT THE PIC WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER SERVED HAD HE SIMPLY DECLARED AN EMER FOR HIS HDG DEV. THE FO FEELS THAT THE DEFINITION OF WAKE TURB MIGHT BE BETTER DEFINED AS TO THE ACCEPTABLE LEVELS THAT THE CREW AND THE ACFT MIGHT SUSTAIN BEFORE THE TERM OR CONDITION REACHES A CATASTROPHIC VALUE. THIS; IN TURN; MIGHT BETTER PLACE A LIMITATION ON THE DISTANCE ACTUALLY CREATED BTWN ACFT AND THE EXPECTED LEVELS OF TURB.

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