A LNDG B737-300 STOPS ON THE HIGH SPD TURNOFF FROM RWY 25L WITH ITS NOSE OVER THE HOLD SHORT LINE. CREW COMPLAINT OF IMPROPER MARKINGS LIGHTS ATC PROC.

Date: 1999-01

Anomalies: conflict-ground-conflict|less-severe|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-clearance|ground-incursion-runway|other-unspecified

Synopsis

A LNDG B737-300 STOPS ON THE HIGH SPD TURNOFF FROM RWY 25L WITH ITS NOSE OVER THE HOLD SHORT LINE. CREW COMPLAINT OF IMPROPER MARKINGS LIGHTS ATC PROC.

Narrative

DURING OUR LNDG ROLLOUT ON RWY 25L AT LAX; THE TWR REQUESTED WE EXPEDITE CLRING OF THE RWY TO ACCOMMODATE LNDG TFC. CTL XFER TO CAPT WAS ACCOMPLISHED AND HE BEGAN TO EXIT THE RWY ON A HIGH SPD TURNOFF. AS WE EXITED; TWR STATED; 'HOLD SHORT OF RWY 25R.' I ACKNOWLEDGED THE XMISSION TO HOLD SHORT. A MOMENT LATER; TWR AGAIN STATED TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 25R. I ONCE AGAIN ACKNOWLEDGED THE INSTRUCTION. IT APPEARED TO ME THE CAPT WAS NOT GOING TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 25R. I THEN SAID TO THE CAPT; 'HOLD; THIS IS IT.' CAPT DID AT THAT TIME STOP THE ACFT SHORT OF RWY 25R. I WAS UNABLE TO SEE THE HOLD SHORT TXWY MARKINGS; BUT I BELIEVE WE WERE TOO CLOSE TO THE RWY. IT WAS ABOUT THIS TIME THE TWR TOLD A DEPARTING ACFT ON RWY 25R TO CANCEL THEIR TKOF CLRNC. IT SEEMED TO ME THE ACFT DID NOT COMPLY WITH THE REQUEST AND I TOLD THE CAPT; 'I THINK HE'S STILL COMING.' CAPT APPLIED REVERSE THRUST AND BACKED US AWAY FROM RWY 25R. ACFT ON TKOF ROLL DID COMPLETE ITS TKOF BUT WAS AIRBORNE BEFORE OUR POS. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: 1) VERY POOR IN-RWY TAXI-TURNOFF LIGHTING SYS. UNLIKE EWR'S; LAX'S LIGHTS ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM A B737-300 UNTIL ONE IS PRACTICALLY UPON THEM. EYE POS TO IN-RWY LIGHT 'SIGHTING ANGLE' MUST BE INCREASED; ALLOWING EARLIER RECOGNITION OF LIGHTS. 2) NON EXISTENT (OR NOT ILLUMINATED) YELLOW INTXN LIGHTS ARE NEEDED (AGAIN; AS EWR HAS). 3) FADED AND WORN OUT HOLD SHORT TAXI MARKINGS NEED TO BE REPLACED. REFLECTIVE PAINT OR TAPE SHOULD BE MANDATED -- AT THE VERY LEAST; A NEW COAT OF PAINT SHOULD BE APPLIED. 4) TWR INSTRUCTION TO EXPEDITE OFF THE RWY DURING LNDG ROLLOUT. 5) CREW'S DESIRE TO ACCOMMODATE THE TWR'S EXPEDITE REQUEST. 6) CREW'S UNFAMILIARITY WITH LAX. 7) CREW FATIGUE. EARLY MORNING TRIP THIS VERY MORNING; FOLLOWED BY CLE TO SAN WITH A WX DIVERT TO LAX.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.