MD80 FLC QUESTIONS HOLD SHORT POS POLICY AT LGA.
Synopsis
MD80 FLC QUESTIONS HOLD SHORT POS POLICY AT LGA.
Narrative
DEP ATIS WAS VISIBILITY 10 SM; CLOUDS 3700 FT/25000 FT; ALTIMETER 30.35; ILS RWY 4 APCH IN USE; LOC 4 DEPARTING RWY 31. MY FLT PUSHED OFF GATE AND CALLED LGA GND CTL FOR TAXI. WE WERE INSTRUCTED 'TAXI TO RWY 4 VIA TXWYS A; E; B.' ATIS WAS ADVISING RWY 31 DEPS; BUT THERE WAS A CHANGE TAKING PLACE; AND RWY 4 WAS NOW GOING TO BE USED FOR DEPS; AS GND CTL ADVISED US. WE WERE GIVEN NO CLRNC TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 4 AT THE RWY 4 ILS HOLD LINE; AND SINCE WX WAS VFR WE HELD SHORT OF RWY 4 AT THE RWY 4 'B4' HOLD LINE. THERE WERE ALSO NO INSTRUCTIONS ON ATIS TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 4 AT THE ILS HOLD LINE SINCE ATIS WAS SAYING DEPS WERE ON RWY 31; NOT RWY 4. AS WE HELD SHORT OF RWY 4 SHORT OF THE B4 HOLD LINE BUT BEYOND THE ILS HOLD LINE; LGA TWR ADVISED A TURBOPROP ON SHORT FINAL TO LNDG AT RWY 4 TO GO AROUND. THEN THE LGA TWR ADVISED US WE WERE BEYOND THE RWY 4 ILS HOLD LINE AND THAT WE SHOULD TAXI ONTO RWY 4 AND MAKE A R TURN AT TXWY C4 FOLLOWED BY A R TURN ONTO TXWY B AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 4 AT THE ILS HOLD LINE -- SO THAT IS WHAT WE DID. LATER; UPON ARRIVING AT OUR DEST; I CALLED LGA TWR AND ASKED FOR THE SUPVR. I BRIEFED HIM ON OUR SIT ON TAXI OUT AT LGA; AND ASKED HIM IF HE CONSIDERED THE SIT A PROB. HE SAID HE WAS THE SUPVR ON DUTY AT THE TIME WE TAXIED OUT; AND HE SAID THE GND CTLR HAD ERRED IN NOT TELLING US TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 4 AT THE ILS HOLD LINE. IT WAS ABSOLUTELY NOT OUR FAULT NO ACTION WAS BEING TAKEN AND THAT ONCE THE GND CTLR NOTICED THAT WE WERE SHORT OF RWY 4 BUT BEYOND THE RWY 4 ILS HOLD LINE; THAT THEIR LCL POLICY DICTATED THAT THE LNDG TURBOPROP BE GIVEN A GAR; SINCE THERE COULD BE A WINGTIP CLRNC PROB WITH A WDB LNDG ON RWY 4 AND A WDB HOLDING SHORT OF RWY 4 BUT HOLDING BEYOND THE ILS HOLD LINE. NEITHER OF OUR ACFT WERE WDB'S. IF LGA GND HAS THIS POLICY; WHY NOT PRINT ON THE ARPT CHART TO HOLD SHORT OF THE ILS HOLD LINE AT RWY 4 WHEN LNDG RWY 4 VFR OR IFR WX. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: TWR PERSONNEL RPT THAT THE ILS HOLD LINE IS TO BE ADHERED TO ONLY WHEN RWY 4 IS USED FOR ARRIVING AND DEPARTING TFC; REGARDLESS OF WX CONDITIONS. THIS REQUIREMENT IS DUE TO WINGTIP CLRNC LIMITS FOR ALL ACFT TYPES; NOT JUST WDB. WHEN TFC IS DEPARTING RWY 4 AND LNDG ANY OTHER RWY; THE 'B4' HOLD LINE BECOMES THE STOP POINT FOR ALL DEPARTING TFC. THE TWR PERSONNEL STATE THAT PLTS ARE NOTIFIED AS TO WHICH HOLD LINE IS ACTIVE VIA ATIS RECORDING.
Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.