S80 CAPT IS REQUIRED TO CONTINUALLY PROMPT FO TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE OF XING RESTR; HAVING TO COORD TWICE WITH ZFW FOR RESTR RELIEF.

Date: 2001-04 · Aircraft: MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model · Phase: approach

Anomalies: deviation-altitude-undershoot|deviation-altitude-crossing-restriction-not-met|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-clearance

Synopsis

S80 CAPT IS REQUIRED TO CONTINUALLY PROMPT FO TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE OF XING RESTR; HAVING TO COORD TWICE WITH ZFW FOR RESTR RELIEF.

Narrative

WE WERE ASSIGNED 310 KTS ON THE GLEN ROSE ARR. WE WERE TO BE AT HIRST AT 11000 FT. AT THE LAST MIN; THE CTLR TOLD US TO COMPLY WITH THE SPDS ON THE STAR. I REPLIED THAT WE WOULD NEED RELIEF AT FEVER; BECAUSE WE WERE RIGHT ON TOP OF IT. THIS WAS GRANTED. THE FO WAS FLYING. I DID NOT CONVEY PROPERLY MY CONCERN THAT HE MAKE THE RESTR OF HIRST AT 11000 FT AND 250 KTS. HIS TECHNIQUE WAS GOING TO ACHIEVE NEITHER. I REPEATED THAT HE NEEDED TO GET DOWN; BUT HE WAS STILL NOT BEING AGGRESSIVE ENOUGH. I AGAIN CALLED ATC AND ASKED FOR RELIEF AT HIRST. HE REPLIED 'ROGER; MAINTAIN 11000 FT.' AS I WAS REFERRING TO SPD AS BEFORE AT FEVER; I TOOK IT THAT WE WERE TO STILL CROSS HIRST AT 11000 FT; BUT WE COULD DO IT AT THE 270-280 KTS WE STILL HAD. THE FO STILL DID NOT RESPOND AS I THOUGHT HE SHOULD. THE THIRD TIME I ADMONISHED HIM; HE DID ACKNOWLEDGE ME; BUT DID NOT CHANGE THE ACFT'S ATTITUDE; PWR OR DRAG. I FINALLY INSISTED THAT HE DUCK UNDER AND GET TO 11000 FT NOW; WHICH HE DID. WE CROSSED HIRST AT 11600 FT-11700 FT. THERE WAS NO COMMENT FROM THE CTLR. AFTER A SLOPPY APCH WHICH; WHILE NOT UNSAFE OR OUT OF OUR PARAMETERS FOR A STABILIZED APCH; WAS NOT AGGRESSIVE ENOUGH AT ALL; BUT HIGH AND FAST. WE LANDED AT DFW; RWY 17C. THE APCH WAS UNCOMFORTABLY ABRUPT FROM A TECHNIQUE POINT OF VIEW; BUT I DID NOT FEEL THE NEED TO TAKE CTL; BUT RATHER INFORMED HIM OF THE PARAMETERS HE WAS NOT MAKING DURING THE APCH SO HE WOULD CORRECT THEM. I TALKED WITH HIM BEFORE OUR LAST FLT HOME. HE INDICATED THAT HE THOUGHT THE RESTR AT HIRST WAS NOT APPLICABLE AFTER THE CTLR'S LAST XMISSION TO JUST MAINTAIN 11000 FT. I CAN SEE HOW THIS INTERP COULD BE CORRECT. I DID NOT ADDRESS THE APCH; SO AS NOT TO BE VIEWED AS ATTACKING HIM PERSONALLY; AS I DID NOT WANT TO EXACERBATE ANY PERSONALITY CLASHES THAT MAY BE DEVELOPING.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.