M20P PLT ENTERED NY ADIZ AIRSPACE WITHOUT CLRNC.

Date: 2003-03 · Aircraft: M-20 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model · Phase: cruise

Anomalies: aircraft-equipment-problem-critical|airspace-violation-all-types|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-far|other-plt-entered-ny-adiz-without-clrnc-didn-t-get-known-acft-problems-repaired

Synopsis

M20P PLT ENTERED NY ADIZ AIRSPACE WITHOUT CLRNC.

Narrative

ON 03/MON/03; I WAS DEPARTING FLORIDA FOR A VFR FLT TO NY POUGHKEEPSIE/DUCHESS COUNTY. I CALLED ST PETERSBURG FSS FOR WEATHER AND RECEIVED A BRIEFING NOTING MOSTLY NO CLOUDS BELOW 20000 FT WEATHER NO PROB VFR ENTIRE ROUTE. THE BRIEFER ASKED IF I KNEW OF THE TFR'S OVER NY AND WASH. I SAID NO; WHAT ARE THEY? HE SAID; 'TOO MANY PAGES; THAT I WOULD NEED TO PRINT OUT.' HE ASKED 'WHERE IS POUGHKEEPSIE?' I SAID; '60 MILES N OF NYC.' HE INDICATED STRONGLY THAT THERE WERE TOO MANY TFR'S TO LIST; BUT SAID IF I COULD FILE IFR. (MY XPONDER AND DG HAD BEEN INTERMITTENT ALSO.) GIVEN THE CLR UNLIMITED VISIBILITY AND CEILING AND IN-OP INSTRUMENTS; I STAYED WELL CLR OF NY CLASS B BY FLYING 15500 AND STAYED WELL OUTSIDE LATERALLY USING SBJ VOR THEN FLEW N THEN E TO POUGHKEEPSIE ALL VFR. I DISCOVERED THE VIOLATION OF THE 30 MILE OUTER RING WHEN I HEARD THE ATIS AT POUGHKEEPSIE ADVISING 'NO FLTS WITHIN 30 MILES OF POUGHKEEPSIE; DISCRETE CODE NEEDED!!' I REALIZED THAT I HAD BEEN JUST INSIDE THE 30 MILE BUT WELL OUTSIDE CLASS B VERTICAL AND LATERAL BOUNDS. TOO LATE FOR ANY CORRECTIVE ACTION. I STRONGLY BELIEVE IF THE BRIEFER HAD TOLD ME SIMPLY NO FLTS BELOW 18000 AND 30 NM OF NYC I WOULD NOT HAVE FLOWN THAT RTE. I'VE MADE THE TRIP MANY TIMES VFR AND IFR OVER SAME RTE IN PAST 16 YEARS. THIS WAS A SIMPLE TFR AND COULD HAVE BEEN EASILY AVOIDED HAD I BEEN GIVEN THE SPECIFICS WHEN I ASKED THE FSS BRIEFER.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.