CE-650 CREW HAD THE CTLR ASK IF THEY WERE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA IN AN ATTEMPT TO SHORT CUT IFR FLT PROCS.

Date: 2003-11 · Aircraft: Citation III; VI; VII (C650) · Phase: approach

Anomalies: inflight-event-encounter-weather-turbulence|inflight-event-encounter-other-unknown

Synopsis

CE-650 CREW HAD THE CTLR ASK IF THEY WERE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA IN AN ATTEMPT TO SHORT CUT IFR FLT PROCS.

Narrative

WE WERE ON AN IFR FLT PLAN FROM ICT TO ASE. WE DSNDED INTO THE ASE AREA AND MADE ONE LAST CHK ON THE WX AT ASE. IT WAS NOW BELOW OUR COMPANY ACCEPTED LNDG MINIMUMS. WE REQUESTED ATC TO RERTE US TO EGE BECAUSE THE WX THERE WAS ACCEPTABLE. THEY GAVE US CLRNC TO RED TABLE VOR; THEN THE LOC B APCH. WE DEPARTED RED TABLE AND HEADED FOR TALIA INTXN ON THE LOC B APCH. JUST AFTER RED TABLE; THE CTLR CLRED US TO 14000 FT. WE DSNDED TO 14000 FT AND PASSED TALIA OUTBOUND ON THE PROC TURN WHICH WAS A HOLDING PATTERN COURSE REVERSAL. AFTER PASSING TALIA CTR; ASKED IF WE WERE FAMILIAR WITH THE APCH THEN FOLLOWED UP WITH A 'TURN TO 330 DEGS AND CLB TO 16000 FT BECAUSE YOU ARE HEADED FOR HIGH TERRAIN.' THEN THE CTLR TOLD US TO JOIN THE 198 DEG RADIAL OF KREMMLING TO RRIVR INTXN AND CLRED FOR THE APCH. WE ASKED WHAT APCH; BECAUSE THIS WAS NOT ON THE LOC B APCH. AGAIN; WE WERE CHALLENGED WITH 'AREN'T YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE APCH?' I ASKED THE CTLR WHICH APCH SHE WANTED US TO DO; SUSPECTING SHE WAS MOVING US OVER THE LOC/DME C APCH. WE COMPLETED THE LOC/DME C APCH WITHOUT ANY PROBS AND MADE A NORMAL LNDG. MY CONCERNS ARE: 1) WHY DID THE CTLR QUESTION US ON WHY WE WERE GOING PAST TALIA (EXECUTING THE PROB TURN) PROBABLY THINKING WE WERE NOT FOLLOWING THE IAP. 2) WHY DID THE CTLR CHALLENGE US TWICE ON OUR 'FAMILIARITY' WITH THE IAP'S?

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.