B767 CREW APCHING RWY 25R FOR TKOF SWITCH TO TWR AND ARE CLRED FOR TKOF BEFORE BEING ABLE TO ADVISE THE LCL CTLR THEY WOULD NEED 1 MIN BEFORE TKOF.

Date: 2004-05 · Aircraft: B767-300 and 300 ER · Phase: taxi

Anomalies: deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy|ground-incursion-runway

Synopsis

B767 CREW APCHING RWY 25R FOR TKOF SWITCH TO TWR AND ARE CLRED FOR TKOF BEFORE BEING ABLE TO ADVISE THE LCL CTLR THEY WOULD NEED 1 MIN BEFORE TKOF.

Narrative

WE WERE TAXIING ON TXWY B TO RWY 25R. PRIOR TO TXWY F; I SWITCHED TO TWR FREQ. TWR CTLR ASKED WHETHER WE COULD ACCEPT THE INTXN F FOR DEP. I RESPONDED NO; WE NEEDED THE FULL LENGTH. TWR CTLR CLRED US TO TAXI FULL LENGTH; THEN CLRED US FOR TKOF. WE NEEDED 1 MORE MIN FOR THE REQUIRED ENG WARM-UP TIME (8 MINS) SO I INFORMED HIM THAT WE NEEDED 1 MIN. HE PROCEEDED TO BERATE US; TELLING ME I SHOULD HAVE TOLD THE GND CTLR THAT WE NEEDED THIS ADDITIONAL TIME; ETC. I APOLOGIZED AND ASSURED HIM WE WOULD NEXT TIME. TWR THEN CANCELED OUR TKOF CLRNC; BUT AT NO TIME DID HE CANCEL THE INSTRUCTION TO TAXI INTO POS AND HOLD. THE CAPT AND I CONCURRED ON THIS FACT PRIOR TO OUR ENTERING THE ACTIVE RWY 25R. AFTER THIS VERBAL CONFRONTATION; THE CAPT TAXIED THE ACFT INTO POS ON RWY 25R. MEANWHILE; THE TWR CTLR HAD CLRED ANOTHER ACFT (B737) INTO POS RWY 25R FROM INTXN F. AT THIS POINT THE CAPT AND I THOUGHT THAT SOME COM BREAKDOWN HAD OCCURRED AS THIS APPEARED TO BE AN UNUSUAL TKOF CONFIGN. I BELIEVE THAT THE CTLR HAD FORGOTTEN TO INSTRUCT US TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 25R AFTER HE CANCELED THE TKOF CLRNC. I TOLD THE TWR CTLR THAT WE WERE READY FOR TKOF IN SEQUENCE. HE THEN BEGAN ANOTHER FLOOD OF ANGRY BERATING WORDS; INSTRUCTING US NOT TO TAKE OFF. THEN HE BEGAN LECTURING ME ABOUT HOW WE HAD MESSED UP HIS ENTIRE TKOF SEQUENCE. I AGAIN APOLOGIZED AND ASSURED HIM WE WOULD NOT TAKE OFF. APPROX 3 MINS LATER; WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. I BELIEVE THAT HAD I TOLD THE GND CTLR THAT WE NEEDED AN ADDITIONAL MIN FOR ENG WARM-UP NONE OF THIS SCENARIO WOULD HAVE OCCURRED. I BELIEVE THAT THE TWR CTLR BECAME SO CONSUMED WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAD NOT DONE THIS; HE MISTAKENLY DID NOT ASK US TO HOLD SHORT.

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