B737 PIC COMMENTS ON HIS ALLEGED PROBS OBTAINING HIS RWY OF REQUEST WITHOUT BEING INTIMIDATED BY APCH CTLR AND SUBSEQUENT SEPARATION PROBS WHEN LNDG RWY 24L AT CLE.
Synopsis
B737 PIC COMMENTS ON HIS ALLEGED PROBS OBTAINING HIS RWY OF REQUEST WITHOUT BEING INTIMIDATED BY APCH CTLR AND SUBSEQUENT SEPARATION PROBS WHEN LNDG RWY 24L AT CLE.
Narrative
ON INITIAL CONTACT WITH APCH WE ADVISED WE NEEDED RWY 24L FOR ACFT TYPE AND WT. SWITCHED TO FINAL CTLR AND HE SAID EXPECT RWY 24R. WE AGAIN ADVISED NEEDED RWY 24L. HE SAID EXPECT EXTENDED DOWNWIND OR HOLDING FOR RWY 24L. WE SAID OK. 27 DME FROM ARPT WE ARE 'CLRED TO JOIN LOC RWY 24L. HOWEVER; YOU MAY EXPECT TO BE PULLED OFF APCH OR GO AROUND IF TWR CANNOT FIT YOU IN.' ONCE AGAIN I SAY WE NEED RWY 24L. I DO NOT EXPECT INTIMIDATION BY ATC INTO TAKING THEIR RWY CHOICE. IT IS MY JOB TO MAKE THE SAFEST DECISION AND IT IS ATC'S JOB TO MAKE IT WORK. AT ASSIGNED SPD WE CROSSED FAF AND CONTACTED TWR; 120.9. TWR CLRED US TO LAND RWY 24L. ABOUT THAT TIME ACR Y WAS LNDG RWY 24R. HE WAS TOLD TO HOLD SHORT RWY 24L FOR LNDG TFC. AT ABOUT 300 FT AGL TWR CLRED ACR Y TO CROSS RWY 24L. SINCE HE HAD BEEN STOPPED FOR A WHILE IT TOOK A FEW SECONDS TO GET ROLLING. THERE IS NO WAY TWR SHOULD HAVE CROSSED THAT ACFT. AT ABOUT 100 FT AGL; AND AS ACR Y WAS CLRING RWY 24L; TWR SAID 'ACR X; GO AROUND.' I SAID 'ACR Y IS CLR; DO YOU STILL NEED US TO GO AROUND?' JUST IN CASE THERE WAS SOMETHING I DID NOT SEE. TWR SAID; 'LAND.' THERE ARE 2 ISSUES HERE. THE CLR EVIDENCE OF INTIMIDATION BY APCH TO GET US TO ACCEPT RWY 24R; AND THE UNSAFE XING OF AN ACFT IN FRONT OF US TO NECESSITATE THE PRE-WARNED GAR FROM APCH CTL. I WILL NOT ACCEPT RWY 24R/6L IN AN 800/900 SERIES ACFT AS GS INTERCEPT LNDG DISTANCE IS 4983 FT. SINCE WE ARE TRAINED TO FOLLOW THE GS; THAT IS THE LNDG DISTANCE I WILL ALWAYS USE WHEN CALCULATING; IF I CAN; USE A REQUESTED RWY. I SPOKE TO ATC SUPVR AND HE SAID THAT A CTLR WILL NEVER ASK YOU TO HOLD OR PULL OFF APCH FOR RWY 24L. THE MINDSET NEEDS TO BE CHANGED AT CLE ATC INTO NOT INTIMIDATING PLTS INTO UNSAFE SITS.
More incidents for this aircraft family →
Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.