A B767-400 FLT CREW DEVIATED FROM XING RESTR ALT AND EXCEEDED 250 KTS BELOW 10000 FT WHILE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE SCT REQUEST FOR HIGH SPD ON SEAVU ARR TO LAX.

Date: 2006-10 · Aircraft: B767-400 and 400 ER · Phase: approach

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Synopsis

A B767-400 FLT CREW DEVIATED FROM XING RESTR ALT AND EXCEEDED 250 KTS BELOW 10000 FT WHILE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE SCT REQUEST FOR HIGH SPD ON SEAVU ARR TO LAX.

Narrative

LOS ANGELES IS KNOWN FOR HAVING COMPLEX ARR PROCS. WHEN APCH CTL ADDS DRAMATICALLY TO THE COMPLEXITY LATE IN THE GAME; IT MAKES FOR AN IMPOSSIBLE AND MAYBE DANGEROUS SITUATION AS WELL. BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY; I TRY TO PREPARE CAREFULLY; THOROUGHLY; AND EARLY. ON THIS FLT; IT WAS NO DIFFERENT. WE MADE SURE THAT SEAVU ARR WAS LOADED INTO THE FMS PROPERLY; INCLUDING TRANSITIONS; ALTS AND SPDS. WE EVEN LOADED A DIFFERENT APCH INTO RT.2 JUST TO BE AHEAD. THE FMS BOX WAS SET AT .79 MACH/300 KT SPD FOR A NORMAL DSCNT. AFTER SEVERAL STEP DSCNT WE WERE CLRED FOR THE SEAVU ARR AND I PUT 7000 IN THE ALT WINDOW. A FEW MI BEFORE KONZL WE WERE TOLD TO INCREASE SPD TO 320 KTS OR GREATER. JUST AFTER I ENTERED THAT IN THE FMS; THE SPD AUTOMATICALLY CHANGED TO 280 KTS. I REALIZED IT WAS FOR THE KONZL INTXN RESTR. I OVERRODE IT MANUALLY; BUT NOW HAD TO CALCULATE ALL DSCNT RATES MENTALLY; AS IT WOULD NO LONGER FLY RNAV PATH. AFTER THE RESTR AT DIXON INTXN; 12000 FT; I ASKED THE FO TO REQUEST A SLOW TO 250 KTS. ATC REPLIED TO KEEP THE SPD UP AND SLOW AFTER LEAVING 10000 FT. I ASSUMED ATC MEANT TO SLOW AT 10000 FT AND THEN DSND AS IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL THE OTHER WAY. ABOUT THIS TIME; I REALIZED I NEEDED A MAX EFFORT SLOW TO MAKE THE RESTR OF 9700 FT OR BELOW AT TAROC. I ASK FO TO REQUEST IMMEDIATE SLOW DOWN; BUT FREQ WAS BLOCKED. SOON; WHAT I BELIEVE WAS ANOTHER VOICE ON ATC; TOLD US TO SLOW TO 250 KTS. WITH FULL SPD BRAKE; I REALIZED I WOULD NOT MEET THE SPD AND ALT RESTR. I ELECTED TO DSND BELOW 10000 FT AT 280 KTS. WE CROSSED TAROC AT 9800 FT AND 280 KTS. I FELT THE EXTRA SPD WAS NOT AS GREAT A SAFETY RISK AS BEING TOO HIGH ABOVE AN ALT REST. WITH THIS BEHIND US; WE WERE THEN CLRED FOR AN APCH TO RWY 25R BEFORE THE NORMAL TRANSITION AND HAD TO SCRAMBLE TO NOT CROSS ALTS BELOW RESTRS; SINCE LAX HAS MANY RESTRS THAT FLYING A GS WOULD VIOLATE. I RECOMMEND THAT ATC KEEP CHANGES TO COMPLEX ARR PROCS AT A MINIMUM OR ELSE JUST DROP BACK TO OLD FASHIONED VECTORS. I ALSO LEARNED THAT IF I HAVE TO RESORT TO FLYING THE WAY WE DID IN OLD MANUAL AIRPLANES; WE REMEMBER TO USE THE ALT WINDOW AS WE DID; UPDATING AFTER EACH RESTR; SO THAT IT IS EASIER TO BE AWARE OF THE NEXT RESTR. AND FINALLY; LAX COULD SIMPLIFY EVERYTHING BY JUST USING THEIR OLD LONG-RANGE ILS AND GS SYS.

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