C210 PLT FLYING VFR NEAR VNY MADE REPEATED ATTEMPTS TO RECEIVE FLT INFO FROM FSS; BUT WAS UNABLE; REPORTING POSSIBLE TFR ENTRY.

Date: 2007-09 · Aircraft: Cessna 210 Centurion / Turbo Centurion 210C; 210D · Phase: climb

Anomalies: airspace-violation-all-types|other-fss-ops

Synopsis

C210 PLT FLYING VFR NEAR VNY MADE REPEATED ATTEMPTS TO RECEIVE FLT INFO FROM FSS; BUT WAS UNABLE; REPORTING POSSIBLE TFR ENTRY.

Narrative

WE WERE FLYING FROM W OF VNY UP TO THE N; INTENDING TO PROCEED E TOWARD BIG BEAR. WE WERE CLBING FROM AROUND 5000 FT TO 9500 FT OR SO. PRIOR TO OUR DEP; THE PLT MADE 3 ATTEMPTS TO CONTACT FSS TO OBTAIN A WX BRIEFING. THE FIRST 2 ATTEMPTS RESULTED IN 1 DISCONNECT AND 1 FRUITLESS 10 MIN WAIT. ON THE THIRD ATTEMPT; AFTER A 15 MIN WAIT; A BRIEFER ANSWERED. HE TOLD ME HIS COMPUTER WAS DOWN. I TOLD HIM I HAD MADE MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS TO GET A BRIEFING; AND AT LEAST WANTED TO BE ON TAPE SHOWING THAT I HAD MADE THE ATTEMPT. I WAS PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN TEMPORARY FLT RESTRS (TFR'S); AS THESE OCCUR FREQUENTLY DURING FIRE SEASON. ENRTE; WE TRIED TO OBTAIN FLT FOLLOWING AND KEPT GETTING SUGGESTIONS TO TRY OTHER FREQS. WE ALSO CONTACTED FLT WATCH FROM THE AIR TO GET INFO ABOUT TFR'S AROUND VNY OR BIG BEAR. FLT WATCH DECLINED TO GIVE THIS INFO; SAYING WE NEEDED TO CONTACT FSS. WE FOUND THE FREQ FOR FSS (RIVERSIDE RADIO; I THINK). DUE TO THE DELAYS AND FAILURES OF THE FSS OPS ON THE GND; FSS IN THE AIR WAS MOBBED; AND WE WERE ABOUT #6 TO BE PROCESSED. WE LEFT THE FREQ WITHOUT RECEIVING SVC. BY THIS TIME WE COULD SEE A SMALL FIRE AREA WITHIN 10 MI OF VNY. WE TOOK A CIRCUITOUS RTE AROUND IT BUT WONDERED WHETHER WE ENCROACHED ON A TFR. LATER WE FOUND OUT THAT THERE WAS A TFR THERE TO 7000 FT. I AM FAIRLY CERTAIN WE WERE ABOVE THAT AND PROBABLY OUTSIDE OF THE RADIUS OF THE TFR AS WELL; BUT I AM NOT 100% CERTAIN; AS WE HAD NOT BEEN GIVEN THE INFO ABOUT THE TFR; DESPITE AT LEAST 6 ATTEMPTS TO OBTAIN IT (3 ON THE GND; 1 FROM AN ATC FREQ THAT DENIED US FLT FOLLOWING; ONCE FROM FLT WATCH; AND ONCE FROM FSS IN THE AIR. THE CAUSES OF THIS INCIDENT WAS THE TOTAL BREAKDOWN OF EFFECTIVE FSS BRIEFING OF FLT CRITICAL INFO SINCE THESE SVCS WERE CONTRACTED. I KNOW OF NO COMPARABLE BREAKDOWN IN 20 YRS OF FLYING WITH THE OLD FAA FSS OPS THE PROB OF LONG WAIT TIMES; IRRELEVANT BRIEFINGS; UNAVAILABLE COMPUTER INFO DURING BRIEFINGS; AND THE REST OF THIS CIRCUS HAS BECOME CONSISTENT AND DANGEROUS. I GUESS WE COULD HAVE CANCELED OUR FLYING; SO PERHAPS A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR WAS THAT WE FLEW DESPITE THE INABILITY TO OBTAIN OFFICIAL INFO THAT SHOULD BE; BUT WAS NOT; AVAILABLE.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.