FREQ CONGESTION. COMMENCED APCH WITHOUT CLRNC.
Synopsis
FREQ CONGESTION. COMMENCED APCH WITHOUT CLRNC.
Narrative
WE WERE CLRED A CIVET 1 ARR TO LAX. THE ARR ENDS AT ARNES AT 10000 FT WITH THE NOTE 'EXPECT ILS APCH.' WE WERE SWITCHED TO APCH CTL AROUND ARNES. THERE WAS AN ACFT COMING BACK TO LAND AFTER TKOF AND THUS THE FREQ WAS CONGESTED. WE WERE BLOCKED ON SEVERAL ATTEMPTS TO CONTACT APCH CTL AND WERE UNABLE TO CHK IN. WE CONTINUED OUR DSCNT MEETING THE ALT CONSTRAINTS FOR ILS RWY 25L. SOMEWHERE AFTER 'FUELR;' APCH CTL CALLED US AND TOLD US TO LEVELOFF AT 7000 FT AND THAT WE WERE ONLY CLRED TO 10000 FT. THE QUESTION IS; 'IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO CONTACT APCH CTL; ARE YOU IN A LOST COM SIT?' IF YOU LEVELOFF AT ARNES; YOU VERY QUICKLY FIND YOURSELF TOO HIGH TO LAND. DO YOU FLY ALL THE WAY TO THE ARPT AT 10000 FT OR DO YOU FLY THE ILS APCH? IS FREQ CONGESTION A LEGITIMATE LOST COM SIT? CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR SENT 2 CAPT RPTS TO HIS COMPANY QUESTIONING THE PROC; BUT AS YET; NO ANSWER. HE WAS NOT SURE WHAT WAS HIS CLRNC LIMIT BECAUSE THE CIVET 1 ARR ENDS AT ARNES WITH A NOTE TO 'EXPECT ILS APCH.' THE RPTR THOUGHT THAT PERHAPS WHEN UNABLE TO OBTAIN APCH CLRNC PRIOR TO ARNES AND IF IT WAS A CLRNC LIMIT; THEN HE SHOULD ENTER HOLDING AS DEPICTED ON THE CHART. TO CLARIFY; THE SOCAL APCH CTLR SUPVR WAS CONTACTED AND HE SAID THAT THE ACFT WAS CLRED TO THE ARPT AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL CLRNC AND THAT THE ARR IS NOT A CLRNC LIMIT. ALSO; THAT THE ACFT MUST MAINTAIN THE LAST ASSIGNED ALT AND; IF APCH CTLR MESSES UP AND DOESN'T GIVE THE APCH CLRNC; THEN THE ACFT IS EXPECTED TO MAINTAIN ALT AND CONTINUE INBOUND ON THE LOC COURSE. THE SUPVR SAID THAT THE ACFT DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT ENTER HOLDING; BUT CONTINUE INBOUND AT THE LAST ASSIGNED ALT.
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Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.