B757-200 CAPT OVERSHOT FINAL ON A VISUAL APCH DUE TO BEING TOO CLOSE ON DOWNWIND LEG TO ALLOW EVEN A CONTINUOUS TURN TO FINAL TO MAKE THE TURN WITHOUT OVERSHOOTING. APCH CTLR WAS UPSET AT THE FLC SINCE THEY FAILED TO PROVIDE APPROPRIATE VISUAL SEPARATION.

Date: 2001-08 · Aircraft: B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model · Phase: approach

Anomalies: conflict-airborne-conflict|deviation-track-heading-all-types|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-clearance

Synopsis

B757-200 CAPT OVERSHOT FINAL ON A VISUAL APCH DUE TO BEING TOO CLOSE ON DOWNWIND LEG TO ALLOW EVEN A CONTINUOUS TURN TO FINAL TO MAKE THE TURN WITHOUT OVERSHOOTING. APCH CTLR WAS UPSET AT THE FLC SINCE THEY FAILED TO PROVIDE APPROPRIATE VISUAL SEPARATION.

Narrative

STILL FLYING WITH A SUB-STANDARD CAPT -- HIS LEG. WE WERE ON A HIGH; VERY TIGHT DOWNWIND FOR THE VISUAL APCH RWY 34L IN SLC. WE WERE ASKED IF WE HAD AN MD90 IN SIGHT ON FINAL. WE SAID YES AND WERE CLRED A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 34L FOLLOWING HIM. WE WERE SO TIGHT ON DOWNWIND WE DID A CONTINUOUS TURN TO FINAL AND STILL OVERSHOT. DURING THE TURN WE GOT AN RA WHICH AT FIRST WAS 'MONITOR VERT SPD' THEN CHANGED TO 'REDUCE VERT SPD' (I BELIEVE THAT'S THE TERMINOLOGY) WHICH REQUIRES A RETURN TO LEVEL FLT TO MAINTAIN THE GREEN ARC. DURING THIS THE APCH CTLR CALLS OUT CITATION TFC FOR RWY 35. WE WERE BELLY UP TO HIM AND NEVER SAW HIM. AFTER WE GOT 'CLR OF CONFLICT' WE DSNDED FOR A NORMAL LNDG; ALTHOUGH THE CAPT WAS VERY CONFUSED ABOUT HOW TO GET HIS FLT DIRECTORS BACK TO NORMAL (I RESET THEM) -- HE FIXATED ON THEM DESPITE BEING ON A 3 MI FINAL. I TOLD THE APCH CTLR WE GOT AN RA AND SHE IMMEDIATELY STARTED COVERING HER HIND END -- SHE TOLD US SHE HAD RPTED AT THE TFC AND SHE HAD DONE EVERYTHING CORRECTLY AND STARTED ASKING US NUMEROUS QUESTIONS TILL WE WERE ABOUT 2 MI OUT (+/- 600 FT AGL). I TOLD HER I HAD TO GO TO TWR TO GET A LNDG CLRNC. SEVERAL THINGS HERE: 1) GIVE US CONFLICTING TA'S BEFORE I AM BELLY UP TO THEM; 2) DON'T PREDICATE AN APCH ON VISUAL SEPARATION IF YOU HAVEN'T ASKED FIRST (SFO IS THE WORST FOR THIS) IF I HAVE IT IN SIGHT; AND 3) DON'T START A LONG RAMBLING BUTT-COVERING QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION ON SHORT FINAL -- PRIORITIZE. I THINK THIS CTLR TOTALLY LOST CTL OF THE SIT; 4) (FOR PLTS) FLY THE PLANE! LOOK AT THE WINDOW AND FORGET THE FLT DIRECTORS IF YOU ARE IN VMC AND THE FLT DIRECTOR IS LYING TO YOU! THIS CAPT REALLY NEEDS TO LEARN THE BASICS -- TO BE 100% DEPENDENT ON THE FLT DIRECTORS AND AUTO THROTTLES. IT SCARES ME TO FLY WITH HIM.

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