B727 CREW MAY HAVE FLOWN OUTSIDE THE CONFINES OF A HOLDING PATTERN; IN ZME CLASS E AIRSPACE.

Date: 2003-03 · Aircraft: B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model · Phase: descent

Anomalies: airspace-violation-all-types|deviation-track-heading-all-types|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-clearance|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-far|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy|other-capt-crew-concept|crm

Synopsis

B727 CREW MAY HAVE FLOWN OUTSIDE THE CONFINES OF A HOLDING PATTERN; IN ZME CLASS E AIRSPACE.

Narrative

OUR ACFT WAS FLYING ALMOST DIRECTLY N TOWARDS PXV (POCKET CITY) VOR TO JOIN THE WLDER 4 ARR TO MEM. THE CTLR ISSUED THE FOLLOWING HOLDING INSTRUCTIONS: 'HOLD (E) OF THE BWG 240 DEG RADIAL 60 DME FIX.' WE WERE TOLD TO 'FLY OUR PRESENT HDG (350 DEG) AND TRACK INBOUND ON THE 240 DEG BWG TO GET ESTABLISHED IN THE HOLDING PATTERN.' I PLANNED ON A PARALLEL ENTRY TO GET ESTABLISHED IN HOLDING. I BRIEFED THE CAPT ON MY PLAN AND HE SAID 'JUST TAKE A 30 DEG INTERCEPT.' I TOOK THIS TO MEAN JUST DO A TEARDROP ENTRY AND FLY 030 DEGS TO 40 DME AND MAKE A R TURN INBOUND. I FLEW 030 DEG HDG UPON XING THE HOLDING FIX. UPON REACHING 40 DME; I STARTED A R TURN INBOUND. THE CAPT SCREAMED 'I SAID TURN L AND DO IT NOW.' I QUESTIONED THE CAPT ASKING IF THE CTLR HAD STATED L TURNS. THE CAPT AGAIN DEMANDED I START A L TURN. I DID START A L TURN AND QUESTIONED THE CAPT. THE CAPT TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO ME THAT R TURNS COULD NOT BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH THIS HOLDING CLRNC. THE SO THEN SPOKE UP AND TOOK MY SIDE AND TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO THE CAPT ABOUT R TURNS. TO PROTECT THE HOLDING SIDE; I CONTINUED THE L PAST 180 DEGS AND REINTERCEPTED 240 DEGS OUTBOUND TO THE 60 DME FIX. THE CAPT YELLED AGAIN 'WHAT ARE YOU DOING? YOU SHOULD BE PARALLELING COURSE.' ONCE AGAIN; THE SO AND MYSELF TRIED TO EXPLAIN. THE CAPT THEN DEMANDED THAT L TURNS BE DONE THE REST OF THE HOLDING ABOUT 2.5 TURNS. THIS WAS THE WORST CASE OF IMPROPER CRM I HAVE EXPERIENCED IN MY CAREER. I ALSO FELT THERE WOULD NEVER BE ANY CONVINCING THE CAPT HE WAS INCORRECT. I FEEL WE SHOULD HAVE USED OUR 3-5 MINS PRIOR TO HOLDING TO COME TO A CONCLUSION OF HOW WE WERE GOING TO ENTER AND HOLD.

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Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.