CAPT OF ETOPS B757-200 IS CONCERNED THAT ARPT DATA FOR ETOPS ALTERNATES ON THEIR FLT PLAN IS NOT AVAILABLE IN THE FMC DATABASE.

Date: 2005-03 · Aircraft: B757-200 · Phase: ground

Anomalies: aircraft-equipment-problem-less-severe|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy

Synopsis

CAPT OF ETOPS B757-200 IS CONCERNED THAT ARPT DATA FOR ETOPS ALTERNATES ON THEIR FLT PLAN IS NOT AVAILABLE IN THE FMC DATABASE.

Narrative

I WAS THE CAPT ON A B757 FROM IAD TO MMUN. ON 3 OCCASIONS; DISPATCH LISTED EYW AND MMUN AS ETOPS ALTERNATES. BEING FAMILIAR WITH SOUTH FLORIDA; I DIDN'T QUESTION THOSE ALTERNATES UNTIL; ON THE FIRST FLT; AFTER PASSING THE WEST COAST OF FLORIDA AND BEGINNING OUR OVERWATER PORTION; I ATTEMPTED TO PUT EYW IN THE FIX PAGE OF THE FMC. EYW WAS NOT IN THE DATABASE! I LOOKED UP EYW IN THE APCH PLATES AND FOUND NONE THERE. NQX WAS THERE; HOWEVER. CURIOUS; I PICKED UP THE FOM AND LOOKED FOR EYW IN THE ARPT'S CHAPTER. IT DOES NOT APPEAR! INTERESTINGLY; ONCE AGAIN; NQX DOES. AS A CONSCIENTIOUS CAPT; I FIND IT DISTURBING THAT I AM PROVIDED WITH AN ETOPS ALTERNATE FOR WHICH I HAVE NO DATA WHATSOEVER -- NO RWY LENGTH; WIDTH; APCHS; INFO ABOUT FACILITIES; LIGHTING -- NOTHING. I THINK IT WOULD BE AT THE VERY LEAST IRRESPONSIBLE OF ME TO CHOOSE TO LAND MY AIRPLANE; AND A CRIPPLED ONE AT THAT; AT AN ARPT WITH SUCH A PAUCITY OF INFO. AS SUCH; I STRUCK UP A CONVERSATION WITH THE DISPATCHER QUESTIONING WHY NQX WHICH IS SO CLOSE TO EYW; IS LISTED IN OUR FOM AS AN ONLINE ARPT; AND FOR WHICH I HAVE ARPT DATA; WAS NOT USED INSTEAD. HIS COMMENTS WERE; 'PET INFO IS ADEQUATE ARPT ONLY...JUST A PIECE OF CONCRETE IN CASE YOU FLAME ONE OUT. KEY WEST WILL LOOK LIKE O'HARE TO YOU WHEN THAT HAPPENS!' FIRST OF ALL; I DON'T CONSIDER AN ARPT FOR WHICH I HAVE NO INFO TO BE ADEQUATE! JUST ANY PIECE OF CONCRETE WILL NOT DO! WHEN ASKED ABOUT USING ARPTS FOR WHICH I HAVE NO INFO; HIS RESPONSE WAS; 'WE CAN USE THEM...SURE. IT DEPENDS UPON THE DISPATCHER...I STAY WITH ONLINE STATIONS....' 'ANY ARPT AVAILABLE IS ENRTE WHILE YOU ARE A GLIDER IS ADEQUATE TO ME.' WHEN ASKED WHERE HE'D BE WHEN I WAS SITTING ACROSS THE TABLE FROM THE FAA TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHY I LANDED AT AN UNLISTED ARPT ABOUT WHICH I HAD NO INFO; HE RESPONDED; 'YOU KNOW...LAND NOW...WORRY LATER!' 'I HEARD PENA BLVD CAN HANDLE YOUR ACFT.' I THEN TRIED TO IMPRESS UPON HIM THAT THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A COOPERATIVE EFFORT AND I WAS LOOKING FOR A LITTLE HELP HERE. I HAPPEN TO TAKE MY RESPONSIBILITY VERY SERIOUSLY. HE RESPONDED; 'ALL KIDDING ASIDE...WE LOOK AT THAT BUT WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE...5000 FT RWY SHOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE A B757.' 'BUT THAT PET INFO IS JUST THAT -- INFO. IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO USE KEY WEST.' FUNNY; I THOUGHT UNLESS YOU WERE ON FIRE OR HAD NO OPERATING ENGS; YOU WERE TO USE ONLY THOSE ARPTS LISTED IN THE MANUAL AS REGULAR; ALTERNATE; REFUELING; PROVISIONAL; OR EMER. THAT WOULD MAKE ALL OTHERS ILLEGAL. I AM ALSO BOUND BY FAR PART 91.103; WHICH PARAPHRASED STATES: 'NO PERSON MAY LAND A CIVIL ACFT AT ANY ARPT WITH WHICH HE HAS NOT FAMILIARIZED HIMSELF.' SINCE I HAVE NO MEANS WITH WHICH TO FAMILIARIZE MYSELF WITH EYW; THEN TO USE IT AS AN ALTERNATE; IN MY MIND; IS IN VIOLATION WITH THAT PART. REGARDLESS OF LEGALITY; ISN'T THE DISPATCHER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE ME WITH INFO (IE; ETOPS ALTERNATES) THAT I CAN USE? HE SAYS 'PET' INFO IS JUST THAT -- INFO. WELL; UNLESS I HAVE APCH PLATES AND RWY INFO; IT IS USELESS INFO! AND IS NOT JUST INFO. IT IS AN ALTERNATE; AND AN UNLISTED ONE AT THAT. EVEN IF I'M ON FIRE; AND ESPECIALLY IF I'VE LOST AN ENG; I NEED ALL THE EXTERNAL HELP I CAN GET TO GUIDE THE JET TO A SAFE LNDG; AND THAT MEANS APCH PLATES AND RWY INFO; PARTICULARLY IF AN ADEQUATE ARPT IS VERY NEARBY. THIS DISPATCHER'S GLIB RESPONSES TO WHAT I CONSIDER REASONABLE QUESTIONING OF A POLICY THAT IS EITHER NOT BEING FOLLOWED; OR THAT DOESN'T ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE PLT WAS DISTURBING TO ME. IF WE DON'T PRESENTLY HAVE A POLICY THAT ONLINE ARPTS AS DEFINED IN THE FOM SHOULD BE THE ONLY ARPTS REFED ON A FLT PLAN; THEN WE SHOULD CERTAINLY MAKE IT POLICY. I PRINTED ALL OF THIS DISPATCHER'S RESPONSES TO MY QUERIES IF YOU SHOULD BE INTERESTED AND; OF COURSE; HE SIGNED THEM ALL.

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