1992-01 · NASA ASRS report 199664
ACR WDB TRACK HDG DEV ON A NIGHT DEP THROUGH THE GAP AT HKG.
CAPT WAS ON THE RADIOS; FO WAS FLYING. CAPT IS NEW ON ACFT TYPE AND INTL FLYING. IN PAST 7 MONTHS FO'S FIRST TRIP SINCE IOE; FIRST FLYING LEG. DEP CLRNC WAS TO FLY THE LOC OUTBOUND CLB TO 3000 FT. IMMEDIATELY AFTER TKOF AND CONTACTING DEP; DEP CTL ADVISED 'COMPANY IDENT AT TH (VOR) TURN R HDG ___?' CAPT ACKNOWLEDGED AND FO BEGAN IMMEDIATE TURN (PRIOR TO TH). I TOLD BOTH CAPT/FO NOT TILL TH. BOTH CAPT/FO SAID THEY DIDN'T HEAR THAT. CAPT QUERIED HONG KONG DEP. THEY AGAIN STATED TURN R AT TH. WE LEVELED AT 3000 FT FOR REMAINDER OF OCCURRENCE. ABOUT 9 NM PAST TH (VOR) HONG KONG TOLD US WE WERE SUPPOSED TO TURN AT TH TO HDG___? FO FORGOT AND CAPT DIDN'T CATCH IT. BOTH NEVER TUNED IN TH VOR. HONG KONG BEGAN RADAR VECTORS AT THAT POINT. PROBLEMS TYPICALLY NOTED ON THIS TRIP. 1) BOTH CAPT/FO NEW ON TYPE AND INTL FLYING HAVE VERY DIFFICULT TIME UNDERSTANDING NON U.S. ENGLISH SPEAKING CTLRS. 2) COMPANY DOES NOT ISSUE APCH PLATES; ENRTE CHARTS; OR STANDARD INST DEP PROCS TO SO. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT AT NIGHT; IN A DARK COCKPIT TO LOOK OVER THE SHOULDER OF EITHER THE CAPT/FO TO SEE THEIR SIDS; APCH PLATES; CHARTS. SOLUTION: FOR CREW MEMBERS CAPT/FO NEW TO INTL FLYING AT LEAST ONE OF THE 2 CAPT OR FO NEED TO BE VERY EXPERIENCED. WITH BOTH BEING NEW THEY EASILY MISINTERPRET CLRNC DUE TO LANGUAGE DIFFICULTIES. PLUS DUE TO BEING ALSO NEW TO THE TYPE OF ACFT ADD THE UNFAMILIARITY WITH ACFT SYSTEMS AND INSTRUMENTATION. THESE 2 COMPOUND MINOR PROBLEMS INTO VERY SERIOUS POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS SITUATIONS. ISSUED SIDS; APCH PLATES; ENRTE CHARTS TO ALL COCKPIT CREW MEMBERS.
Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.
Loading the flight search…
Pick an aircraft model — Boeing 737, Airbus A320, A380, Boeing 787 Dreamliner and more — enter your origin airport, and FlightFinder shows every route that plane flies from there with live fares.
We support Boeing 737/747/757/767/777/787, the full Airbus A220/A319/A320/A321/A330/A340/A350/A380 family, Embraer E170/E175/E190/E195, Bombardier CRJ and Dash 8, and the ATR 42/72 turboprops.
Search and schedules are free. Pro ($4.99/month, $39/year, or $99 one-time lifetime) unlocks the enriched flight card — on-time stats, CO₂ per passenger, amenities, live gate & weather — plus My Trips with push alerts.
Live schedules come from Amadeus, AeroDataBox and Travelpayouts. Observed routes (which aircraft actually flew a given city pair) are crowdsourced from adsb.lol ADS-B data under the Open Database License.