WDB CAPT ACCUSED LTT CREW OF TAXIING INTO THEIR PATH.

1993-11 · NASA ASRS report 256567

Date: 1993-11 · Aircraft: Light Transport; Low Wing; 2 Turboprop Eng

Anomalies: conflict-ground-conflict|critical|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-far

Synopsis

WDB CAPT ACCUSED LTT CREW OF TAXIING INTO THEIR PATH.

Narrative

WE WERE TAXIING FROM THE ACR B COMMUTER TERMINAL AT SFO FROM THE FRONT ROW OF ACFT. IN THIS AREA OF THE ARPT; ACFT ARE 'ON THEIR OWN' SINCE GND DOES NOT HAVE CTL OVER THE 'FREEDOM AREA' DUE TO NUMEROUS MAINT OPS. PRIOR TO INITIATING TAXI; I COMPLETED THE AFTER START CHKLIST BY CALLING 'GND EQUIP REMOVED AND CLR;' ALSO NOTING AN ACR CARGO AIRLINES WDB APCHING FROM THE MAIN TXWY. AT THE BEHEST OF OUR RAMP WE MOVED FORWARD MAYBE 15-20 FT. WHEN I FIRST SAW THE WDB PRIOR TO BRAKE RELEASE; HE WAS WELL OUTSIDE THE FREEDOM AREA; BUT NOW; AS WE BEGAN TO MOVE FORWARD; IT BECAME APPARENT THAT DUE TO THE EXCESSIVE (I THINK) TAXI SPD OF THE WDB; A CONFLICT WAS RAPIDLY DEVELOPING. WE STOPPED. COMPANY POLICY PROHIBITS THE USE OF REVERSE TO BACK UP SO WE STAYED PUT. THE WDB CONTINUED TO TAXI SLOWING ONLY MODERATELY AS HE PASSED US BY; CLRING US WITH BOTH VERT AND HORIZ SEPARATION OF ABOUT 10 FT AND 30 FT RESPECTIVELY. FOLLOWING HIS PASSAGE WE TAXIED NORMALLY TO THE POINT WHERE GND IS INITIALLY CONTACTED AT THE ACR C BLAST FENCE. AS WE TAXIED; SOMEONE (PRESUMABLY THE CAPT) STATED THAT; 'THAT LITTLE COMMUTER MOVED OUT WAY TOO FAR;' ON GND FREQ. AS WE HAD NOT CALLED GND YET THE GND CTLR COULD NOT RESPOND TO ACR CARGO'S INQUIRY ABOUT OUR FLT NUMBER. WE THEN CALLED FOR TAXI AND WERE CLRED TO TAXI TO RWY 1L. THE GND CTLR EXPLAINED TO ACR CARGO THE RULES OF THE FREEDOM AREA WHICH GENERATED NO SATISFACTION FROM THEIR PLT. HE INSISTED ON MAKING A RPT WITH SOMEONE OFFICIAL. AS WE REACHED GATE WE WERE SWITCHED TO THE SECOND GND FREQ AND PRIOR TO CHANGING I INQUIRED WITH GND ABOUT WHETHER HE ANTICIPATED ANY PROBS STEMMING FROM THIS EVENT TO WHICH HE REPLIED 'NO.' I ALSO STATED MY OPINION THAT HIS TAXI SPD WAS EXCESSIVE AND WAS A CONTRIBUTORY FACTOR IN THE INCIDENT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE END OF IT. 2 DAYS LATER; I RECEIVED A CALL FROM OUR CHIEF PLT WHO SAID THAT HE HAD SPOKEN TO THE ACR CAPT WHO WAS GOING TO PURSUE THE INCIDENT WITH THE FAA. THE CAPT CLAIMED THAT HE HEARD REMARKS FOLLOWED BY LAUGHTER REGARDING THE INCIDENT FROM US ON GND FREQ. HE CLAIMED THE REMARKS WERE DEFAMATORY AND HE DIDN'T APPRECIATE THEM. NO SUCH REMARKS WERE MADE BY US AT ANY TIME ON ANY CTL FREQ. WHATEVER HE HEARD; WE DIDN'T SAY IT. IN MY OPINION THE ACR'S TAXI SPD REQUIRED THE FULL ATTN OF THE CAPT IN THE NARROWING SPACE INTO WHICH HE WAS MOVING. HE PROBABLY DID NOT SEE US UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO STOP HIS AIRPLANE WHICH FORCED HIM TO RELY ON US TO AVOID A CONFLICT. MY GUESS IS HE WAS ALARMED WHEN THIS BECAME APPARENT TO HIM AND HE HAD TO TAKE IT OUT ON SOMEONE.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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