1996-03 · NASA ASRS report 330737
FLC WAS ADVISED OF CONFLICTING TFC AND ITS ALT. RPTR FLC WAS AT 2500 FT AND TFC RPTED AT 2400 FT. RPTR INSTRUCTOR AND TRAINEE LOOKED FOR; BUT DIDN'T SEE THE INTRUDER UNTIL TWR RPTED 100 FT VERT SEPARATION AND 1000 FT HORIZ. RPTR SAYS THEY SHOULD HAVE DSNDED EARLIER; BUT THOUGHT ATC WOULD PROVIDE MORE INFO AND THAT THEY HAD MORE TIME TO LOCATE TFC.
WE CALLED APCH ABOUT 3 MI W OF PLAINWELL AND RADAR CONTACT WAS ESTABLISHED. ALMOST AT ONCE WE WERE PASSED TO KALAMAZOO TWR. A MIN OR TWO WENT BY AND THEY CALLED TFC 9 TO 10 O'CLOCK 5 MI WBOUND. ALT INDICATES 2400 FT. I ACKNOWLEDGED THE XMISSION AND WENT TO EXTRA SCANNING MODE. IN THAT AREA; TO MY SURPRISE NEITHER I NOR THE STUDENT SAW THE AIRPLANE. OUR HDG WAS 150 DEGS APPROX. I DECIDED TO HOLD WHAT I HAD FOR THE MOMENT AND FIND THE ACFT BEFORE MAKING A MOVE. I DID NOT KNOW WHERE THE OTHER WAS HEADED OR ITS TYPE. I SUSPECTED IT MIGHT BE CLBING OUT OF BATTLE CREEK. I ALSO EXPECTED ADDITIONAL HELP FROM ATC. I GOT NO ADDITIONAL HELP FROM ATC UNTIL JUST AFTER I SAW THE OTHER ACFT. HE SAID WE SHOW WITHIN 100 FT VERT SEPARATION AND I WOULD ESTIMATE 1000+ FT HORIZ SEPARATION. THE OTHER ACFT PASSED BEHIND MINE; A MOONEY WITH A MUCH HIGHER SPD THAN MY 150 KTS. TWO THINGS; I SHOULD HAVE DSNDED AT THE FIRST CALL; BUT REALLY ASSUMED MORE TIME THAN I HAD. DURING THIS WHOLE AFFAIR WE WERE LOOKING FOR THE ACFT. THE STUDENT HAD THE OPPOSITE REACTION AND CLBED VERY SLIGHTLY ABOUT 250-350 FT AND THIS OLD AIRPLANE HAD THE ALTIMETER HIDDEN BEHIND THE STUDENT'S L KNEE. WILL ALSO DO MORE WING LIFTS TO CLR THE AREA IN THE FUTURE.
Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.
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