PLT OF A HUEY UHI GOV HELI CARRIED PAX CONTRARY TO THE LIMITATIONS OF THE PUBLIC ACFT OPS UNDER PUBLIC LAW 103- 411 AND GUIDANCE OF FAA ADVISORY CIRCULAR; #00-1 PT 1; FOR THE OPS OF PUBLIC ACFT.

1996-06 · NASA ASRS report 337670

Date: 1996-06 · Aircraft: Iroquois 204 (Huey) · Phase: ground

Anomalies: deviation-discrepancy-procedural-far|other-unspecified

Synopsis

PLT OF A HUEY UHI GOV HELI CARRIED PAX CONTRARY TO THE LIMITATIONS OF THE PUBLIC ACFT OPS UNDER PUBLIC LAW 103- 411 AND GUIDANCE OF FAA ADVISORY CIRCULAR; #00-1 PT 1; FOR THE OPS OF PUBLIC ACFT.

Narrative

SINCE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CHANGE IN THE DEFINITION OF PUBLIC ACFT IN APR/95 A LOT OF QUESTIONS HAVE ARISEN OVER WHAT IS A LEGAL FLT AND WHAT ISN'T. TODAY I WAS ORDERED BY MY SUPVR TO MAKE A FLT WHICH I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN WAS NOT LEGAL. THE FLT INVOLVED PICKING UP 5 ENGINEERS AND CONSTRUCTION TYPES AT THE NAPA ARPT AND FLYING TO MENDOCINO COUNTY SO THEY COULD LOOK AT FIRE STATIONS. OUR DEPT HAS TAKEN THE STAND THAT IF THE ACFT CARRIES ONLY OUR PERSONNEL THEN THE FLT IS LEGAL. THIS IS NOT THE IMPRESSION I GET FROM READING AC 00-1.1 GOV ACFT OPS. WHEN I POINTED OUT TO THE ADMINISTRATION THAT THIS COULD BE IN VIOLATION; I WAS TOLD THAT THE DECISION TO MAKE THE FLT HAD BEEN MADE AND THAT I WOULD DO THE FLT. THE IMPLICATION WAS MADE THAT ADVERSE ACTION MIGHT BE TAKEN AGAINST ME IF I DID NOT COMPLY. THE DEPT HAS TAKEN THE STAND THAT THE FAA WILL NOT DICTATE HOW WE USE OUR HELIS. THIS PUTS THE PLT IN THE MIDDLE OF A PWR STRUGGLE AND WE WILL BE THE ONES THE FAA COMES LOOKING FOR. TALK ABOUT BEING BTWN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE! CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT HE HAD SINCE REVIEWED THIS MATTER WITH THE LCL FAA OFFICE TO OBTAIN CLARIFICATION OF THE INTERP OF THE NEW PUBLIC LAW AND THE LEGAL STATUS OF THIS FLT. EVEN THOUGH THE FAA DID SAY IT WAS CONTRARY TO THE PROVISIONS OF THE NEW PUBLIC LAW; THERE HAS BEEN NO ACTION AGAINST HIM. HOWEVER; THERE HAS BEEN THREATENED ACTION AGAINST HIS GOV AGENCY. HIS SUPERVISOR DOES NOT WANT TO RECOGNIZE OR FOLLOW THOSE RULES BUT HAVE NOT MADE FURTHER THREATS TO HIM IF A FLT OF THIS TYPE IS NOT TAKEN BY THE RPTR.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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