TURBOJET AIR TAXI FLC FOLLOWED WHAT THEY BELIEVED TO BE THE LAX RWY 25 ILS GS. WHEN THE ACFT WAS AT 1200 FT AND STILL 14 NM OUT; THE APCH CTLR INTERVENED. THE RPTING CAPT CLBED UP TO THE LOC MDA AND CONTINUED THE APCH. THIS RPTR BELIEVES THAT THE GS MAY HAVE SHOWN NEUTRAL OR LEVEL; WHEN THE ADI HAD NOT CAPTURED.

1996-07 · NASA ASRS report 341830

Date: 1996-07 · Aircraft: Commercial Fixed Wing · Phase: approach

Anomalies: deviation-altitude-excursion-from-assigned-altitude|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy|other-airspace-violation-entry-or-exit

Synopsis

TURBOJET AIR TAXI FLC FOLLOWED WHAT THEY BELIEVED TO BE THE LAX RWY 25 ILS GS. WHEN THE ACFT WAS AT 1200 FT AND STILL 14 NM OUT; THE APCH CTLR INTERVENED. THE RPTING CAPT CLBED UP TO THE LOC MDA AND CONTINUED THE APCH. THIS RPTR BELIEVES THAT THE GS MAY HAVE SHOWN NEUTRAL OR LEVEL; WHEN THE ADI HAD NOT CAPTURED.

Narrative

TFC WAS HVY INTO LAX. ATC WAS VECTORING ACFT 15-20 MI FOR ILS INTERCEPT. WE WERE ON VECTORS AND WERE ASKED TO SLOW TO APCH SPD AND DSND TO 2500 FT. OTHER CHATTER ON THE FREQ REGARDING UNUSUAL VECTORING FOR THE FINAL APCH AND RPTS OF WRITING SAME UP; WAS A DISTR. WE TUNED THE ILS AND I WAS GOING TO FLY THE ILS COUPLED; BUT THE AUTOPLT WAS NOT COUPLING; SO I DECIDED TO HAND FLY. I INTERCEPTED THE LOC AND BOTH THE COPLT AND I MISSED THE FACT THAT WE WERE TOO FAR OUT TO INTERCEPT THE GS. HOWEVER; MY COMPLACENCY GEARED ME TO SEEING THAT I HAD INTERCEPTED THE GS; SO I STARTED TO FOLLOW IT DOWN. TRACON (AND US) NOTICED THAT WE WERE AT 1200 FT MSL AND SHOWING ON GS; 14 NM OUT -- NOT GOOD. THEY ASKED IF WE WERE AWARE OF OUR ALT ALERT. WE NOTED OUR ERROR; CLBED TO LOC APCH ALT AND CONTINUED AT THAT ALT TO THE RWY. THE GS NEVER DID COME IN. AT THE FIRST INDICATION THAT WE WERE NOT WHERE WE THOUGHT; I SHOULD HAVE GONE 'MISSED' AND COME BACK IN SET UP FOR THE APCH -- BUT WE COULD SEE THE CITY LIGHTS AND WERE NOT VISUALLY IMPAIRED. WE FEEL WE NEVER DID GET IN A POS TO INTERCEPT THE GS; SO WE BOTH CHALKED IT UP TO ANOTHER LEARNING EXPERIENCE AND THE FACT THAT THERE WAS NO JOY IN THE COCKPIT WITH THAT APCH. YES I HAD TO MAKE A PHONE CALL TO TRACON AND DISCUSS WHAT HAD HAPPENED. I THINK THE PROB WITH THE XBARS ON THE ATTITUDE DIRECTION INDICATOR WAS THAT AT FULL DEFLECTION AND NOT CAPTURED; IT WILL INDICATE NEUTRAL OR LEVEL; BUT NOT CAPTURE.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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