A SUPER 80 FLIES BELOW 8000 FT XING OVER FUELR ON LAX ILS RWY 25L APCH (583 PT 40).

1996-09 · NASA ASRS report 348516

Date: 1996-09 · Aircraft: MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model

Anomalies: deviation-altitude-crossing-restriction-not-met|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-clearance|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-far|other-unspecified

Synopsis

A SUPER 80 FLIES BELOW 8000 FT XING OVER FUELR ON LAX ILS RWY 25L APCH (583 PT 40).

Narrative

TIME: XX50Z; ATC FREQ: 128.5; ATC FACILITY: SOCAL APCH; LOCATION: APCHING FUELR. IN CRUISE; APCHING LAX; REVIEWED PERTINENT INFO CONCERNING THE APCH. FLEW CIVET 1 ARR TO ARNES. AT ARNES IAF; CLRED FOR THE ILS RWY 25L AND; JUST LIKE A GOOD PLT WOULD; I ENGAGED THE ILS MODE ON THE FMP. WE DSNDED ON THE GS AND CROSSED FUELR BELOW 8000 FT. WE THEN TRANSITIONED TO GS OUT PROCS UNTIL 10 DME AND LANDED NORMALLY. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE FO WAS DOING THE FLYING AND FELT VERY BUSY DURING THIS APCH. HIS WELCOME WORDS AS THEY GOT CLOSER TO LAX WERE; 'CLRED FOR ILS RWY 25L APCH.' IN HIS MIND THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE TO DO EXCEPT TO FOLLOW THE LOC AND GS TO THE ARPT. CLRED FOR THE ILS IN HIS MIND MEANT THAT ALL RESTRS WERE ELIMINATED. RPTR WAS COUNSELED AS TO WHAT THE CLRNC MEANS AND WHAT CAUSES THE RESTRS. IT SEEMED TO BE VERY ENLIGHTENING FOR HIM. RPTR ALSO FELT THAT A DIFFERENT TERMINOLOGY FOR THE CLRNC; SUCH AS 'COMPLY WITH ALL ALTS;' WOULD BE A REAL HELP TO CALL ATTN TO THE FACT THAT ALT RESTRS ARE STILL IMPORTANT AND MANDATORY. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 348515: FLEW CIVET 1 ARR TO ARNES. AT ARNES IAF; CLRED FOR THE ILS RWY 25L AND; JUST LIKE A THOUSAND TIMES BEFORE; ENGAGED THE ILS MODE. CROSSED FUELR BELOW 8000 FT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE CAPT'S THINKING WAS IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH THE FO. THEY WERE UNIFIED IN THEIR WRONG THINKING.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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