AN ACR FA28 FO RPTS THAT HIS CAPT REFUSED TO TAKE A VECTOR BEHIND ANOTHER ACFT CAUSING THE TRACON APCH CTLR TO ALIGN THE OTHER ACFT WITH THE PARALLEL RWY.

1996-11 · NASA ASRS report 354791

Date: 1996-11 · Aircraft: F28 Undifferentiated or Other Model · Phase: approach

Anomalies: conflict-airborne-conflict|deviation-track-heading-all-types|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-clearance|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-far|other-unspecified

Synopsis

AN ACR FA28 FO RPTS THAT HIS CAPT REFUSED TO TAKE A VECTOR BEHIND ANOTHER ACFT CAUSING THE TRACON APCH CTLR TO ALIGN THE OTHER ACFT WITH THE PARALLEL RWY.

Narrative

APCH CTL GAVE US A VECTOR ABOUT 40 DEGS R TO FOLLOW COMPANY FOR VISUAL APCH TO RWY 28L. THE OTHER ACFT WAS BASICALLY ALIGNED FOR A STRAIGHT-IN; SPECIFIC RWY UNKNOWN. I STARTED TO TURN THE HEADING BUG TO THE NEW HEADING; BUT THE CAPT SLAPPED MY HAND AWAY FROM THE CTL KNOB. INSTEAD OF TAKING THE VECTOR; THE CAPT DID NOT TURN; CONTINUED ON A FLT PATH THAT GAVE US XING FLT PATHS. AT THE TIME OF THE VECTOR; WE HAD THE OTHER ACFT IN SIGHT. DURING THE ENSUING DISCUSSION BTWN THE CAPT AND APCH CTL; THE OTHER ACFT WENT BEHIND A CLOUD; WE LOST SIGHT AND EVENTUALLY WENT IMC OURSELVES; STILL ON XING FLT PATHS AT ABOUT OR CLOSE TO THE SAME ALT. THE CAPT DID NOT RPT WE HAD LOST SIGHT. THE ONLY OPTION LEFT TO THE CTLR BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE NOT TURNED OFF OF THE ORIGINAL FLT PATH; WAS TO GIVE THE OTHER ACFT THE APCH TO RWY 28R; US RWY 28L. WE THEN DSNDED OUT OF THE CLOUDS. THE CTLR WAS TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE BOTH ACFT ON RWY 28L. I STILL DON'T KNOW HOW WE GOT AWAY WITH NOT TURNING. THE CAPT STATED ON THE RADIO TO APCH CTL; HE DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAD TO BE THE ONE TO TURN AND SLOW FOR THE OTHER ACFT. THE INCIDENT HAS BEEN RPTED TO THE COMPANY AND THE CHIEF PLT FOR INVESTIGATION AND ACTION. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR FLIES FOR A SMALL ACR WITH ONLY ABOUT 600 PLTS. THERE IS NO UNION TO HELP WITH THIS PROB. THE CAPT; THAT IS THE PROB; IS ON THE PLT COMMITTEE THAT DEALS WITH THE ACR; SO COMPLAINING TO THIS COMMITTEE WOULD BE USELESS. THE RPTR IS NEW WITH THE ACR BUT IS A RETIRED MIL PLT. HE RPTS THAT THE SUBJECT CAPT HAD A FIST FIGHT WITH ANOTHER CAPT ON THE RAMP; IN FULL VIEW OF THE PAX. THE RPTR IS ON RESERVE BUT HAS FLOWN 12 LEGS WITH THE CAPT AND HAS NOT BEEN ALLOWED TO FLY THE ACFT. THE CAPT WILL NOT DISCUSS THE SIT. THE RPTR HAS TAKEN THIS PROB TO HIS CHIEF PLT WHO HAS SAID THAT THE RPTR DOES NOT HAVE TO FLY WITH THE CAPT AGAIN. THE RPTR PROMISES THAT HE WILL NOT. THE CAPT USED THE COMPANY MAIL SYS TO SEND A LETTER TO THE RPTR THREATENING HIM WITH A LAWSUIT IF THE RPTR DID NOT STOP TALKING ABOUT THE CAPT. OTHER FO'S HAVE TALKED TO ACR MGMNT BUT THE RPTR IS THE FIRST TO PUT ANYTHING ON PAPER. THE CAPT IS STILL FLYING. THE RPTR IS LOOKING FOR EMPLOYMENT WITH A MAJOR ACR.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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