1997-12 · NASA ASRS report 390640
AN ACR DC8 FREIGHTER FLC RPT THAT THEY SLOWED WITHOUT A CLRNC AND ALSO THEY DID NOT UNDERSTAND THEIR STAR ALT CLRNC.
DURING ARR INTO LAX WE WERE ASSIGNED 250 KTS. CTR THEN CLRED US 'VIA THE CIVET 2 ARR' (CTR DID NOT SPECIFY AN ALT OR STATE TO DSND VIA THE CIVET 2 ARR). WE ASKED FOR A LOWER ALT AND THE CTLR RESTATED 'CLRED FOR THE CIVET 2 ARR.' AS PER THE PUBLISHED APCH WE RESPONDED: 'DSNDING TO 12000 FT;' THE CTLR RESPONDED 'ROGER.' DUE TO REASONS OF ACFT PERFORMANCE WE SLOWED TO 210 KTS DURING DSCNT. BECAUSE OF FREQ CONGESTION WE WERE UNABLE TO TELL THE CTLR THAT WE WERE SLOWING TO 210 KTS. WHEN THE CTLR ASKED WHAT SPD WE WERE MAINTAINING; WE RESPONDED '210 KTS.' THE CTLR THEN THREATENED 'YOU ARE LUCKY I AM NOT FILLING OUT PAPERWORK ON YOU RIGHT NOW.' BY APPROX 38-40 DME LAX AT 13000 FT MSL WE WERE CLRED FOR THE ILS TO RWY 25L. WE HAD NOT BEEN HANDED OFF TO LAX TWR BY 1000 FT AGL. WE SWITCHED FREQS AND WERE CLRED TO LAND. AFTER CLRING RWY 25L TO THE S WE TOLD GND CTL THAT WE WERE 'PARKING ON THE NE CORNER OF THE FIELD; BY AN ACR PARKING AREA.' GND CTL INSTRUCTED US TO 'TAXI TO PARKING.' TO DO SO WE WOULD HAVE TO CROSS TWO ACTIVE RWYS WITH LNDG TFC. WE ADVISED GND CTL THAT WE WERE HOLDING SHORT AND WE WERE SUBSEQUENTLY CLRED TO CROSS RWYS 25L AND 25R BEHIND LNDG TFC. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 388840: DURING ARR INTO LAX WE WERE ASSIGNED 250 KTS. FACTORS CONTRIBUTING TO THE AIRSPD DEV WERE VAGUE AND PROCEDURALLY INCORRECT ISSUANCE OF STAR CLRNC AND FREQ CONGESTION. ATC'S RESPONSE TO BOTH THE AIRSPD DEV (CTR) AND TO THE TAXI INSTRUCTIONS (GND) WAS IMPROPER; UNPROFESSIONAL AND DANGEROUS.
Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.
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