THE FO OF A CHARTER FLT BECAME FRUSTRATED WITH HIS CAPT WHO SPENT VALUABLE TIME ARGUING WITH THE CTLR RATHER THAN RELAYING INFO FOR A NEW CLRNC. THE DELAY CAUSED THE FO TO TURN LATE ONTO THE NEWLY ASSIGNED RTE.

1999-05 · NASA ASRS report 438136

Date: 1999-05 · Aircraft: Small Transport; Low Wing; 2 Turbojet Eng · Phase: initial_climb

Anomalies: deviation-discrepancy-procedural-clearance

Synopsis

THE FO OF A CHARTER FLT BECAME FRUSTRATED WITH HIS CAPT WHO SPENT VALUABLE TIME ARGUING WITH THE CTLR RATHER THAN RELAYING INFO FOR A NEW CLRNC. THE DELAY CAUSED THE FO TO TURN LATE ONTO THE NEWLY ASSIGNED RTE.

Narrative

AFTER BEING CLRED AS FILED (BZN DIRECT AAO); THE CAPT HAD ME FLY THE PUBLISHED IFR DEP PROC; EVEN THOUGH THE WX WAS CLR; DAY VFR. THE ZLC CTLR HAD TOLD US TO RPT 15 MI SE OF THE BZN VOR; WHICH MADE ME WONDER WHY THE CAPT HAD ME FLYING W. THE CTLR ASKED FOR A POS RPT WHICH THE CAPT DIDN'T GIVE; LEADING TO CONFUSION WITH THE CTLR. THE CTLR THEN CLRED US TO THE VOR; VICTOR 86; LIVINGSTON; DIRECT AAO. INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THE CHART; THE CAPT BECAME CONFUSED AND ARGUED WITH THE CTLR ABOUT THE CLRNC. AS THE PF; I NEEDED A RADIAL TO FLY OUTBOUND TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW CLRNC. INSTEAD OF GETTING ME THIS INFO; THE CAPT CONTINUED TO ARGUE ABOUT THE NEW CLRNC. THE RESULT WAS A LATE TURN ON THE NEWLY ASSIGNED RTE AND A FRUSTRATED CTLR. I BELIEVE PART OF THE CONFUSION WAS CAUSED WHEN THE CTL TWR GAVE US OUR CLRNC; 'AS FILED;' WHICH WAS DIRECT. THE CAPT; WANTING TO FLY THE PUBLISHED IFR DEP PROC; EVEN THOUGH IT WAS DAY CAVU WX; TOOK US W OF THE ARPT. THE ZLC CTLR EXPECTED US TO BE SE. THERE ISN'T AN APCH/DEP CTLR AT BZN AND RADAR CONTACT IS NOT ESTABLISHED WITH THE CTRL UNTIL SOME ALT IS GAINED. THE CORRECTIVE ACTION; IN MY OPINION; IS NOT TO ARGUE WITH A CTLR; BUT TO ASK CALMLY FOR CLARIFICATION IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CLRNC.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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