B727 FAIRLY NEW CAPT DISREGARDS FO ADVOCATING GAR AND LANDS ACFT WHILE DEPARTING ACFT IS STILL ON THE RWY ROTATING AT MSP.

1999-11 · NASA ASRS report 455146

Date: 1999-11 · Aircraft: B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model

Anomalies: conflict-ground-conflict|critical|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-far|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy|inflight-event-encounter-other-unknown

Synopsis

B727 FAIRLY NEW CAPT DISREGARDS FO ADVOCATING GAR AND LANDS ACFT WHILE DEPARTING ACFT IS STILL ON THE RWY ROTATING AT MSP.

Narrative

WHEN WE WERE ON ABOUT A 2 MI FINAL; TWR CLRED THE ACFT WAITING #1 (NOT POS AND HOLD) FOR TKOF. I IMMEDIATELY SAID; 'THERE'S NO WAY THIS IS GOING TO WORK; I'D PLAN ON A GAR.' CAPT CONTINUED THE APCH AFTER STATING; 'LET'S SEE.' AS WE WERE AT ABOUT 200-300 FT AGL; THE B727 BEGAN TO ROLL. I ANNOUNCED; 'HE'S STARTING TO ROLL.' THE CAPT SAID NOTHING AND CONTINUED. CONCERNED NOW; AND UNSURE OF THE CAPT'S INTENTIONS; I THEN SAID; 'HE'S STILL ON THE RWY;' AND ABOUT 10 SECONDS LATER; AGAIN; 'HE'S STILL ON THE RWY' (APPROX 50 FT AGL). THE CAPT CONTINUED AND LANDED. THE OTHER B727 WAS BEGINNING HIS ROTATION; BUT STILL ON THE RWY WHEN WE TOUCHED DOWN. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS. I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE ASSERTIVE -- DIRECTLY QUESTIONING THE CAPT REGARDING HIS INTENTIONS. I SHOULD HAVE ALSO SAID; 'WE NEED TO GO AROUND.' CAPT CHOSE TO PRESS. AFTERWARD; HE SAID THAT THE REAL ISSUE IS THAT 'IF THE OTHER ACFT HAD ABORTED; WE COULD HAVE STOPPED BEFORE WE WOULD HAVE REACHED THE OTHER ACFT.' I DISAGREE THAT THIS WAS AN ISSUE AT ALL. WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE LANDED. ANOTHER CONTRIBUTING FACTOR: BOTH CAPT AND COPLT HAD ABOUT 50 HRS IN THEIR SEAT (CREW POS); THOUGH BOTH HAD ADDITIONAL TIME (CAPT AS FO; MYSELF AS FE). I BELIEVE CREW INEXPERIENCE CONTRIBUTED HERE.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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