1999-11 · NASA ASRS report 455146
B727 FAIRLY NEW CAPT DISREGARDS FO ADVOCATING GAR AND LANDS ACFT WHILE DEPARTING ACFT IS STILL ON THE RWY ROTATING AT MSP.
WHEN WE WERE ON ABOUT A 2 MI FINAL; TWR CLRED THE ACFT WAITING #1 (NOT POS AND HOLD) FOR TKOF. I IMMEDIATELY SAID; 'THERE'S NO WAY THIS IS GOING TO WORK; I'D PLAN ON A GAR.' CAPT CONTINUED THE APCH AFTER STATING; 'LET'S SEE.' AS WE WERE AT ABOUT 200-300 FT AGL; THE B727 BEGAN TO ROLL. I ANNOUNCED; 'HE'S STARTING TO ROLL.' THE CAPT SAID NOTHING AND CONTINUED. CONCERNED NOW; AND UNSURE OF THE CAPT'S INTENTIONS; I THEN SAID; 'HE'S STILL ON THE RWY;' AND ABOUT 10 SECONDS LATER; AGAIN; 'HE'S STILL ON THE RWY' (APPROX 50 FT AGL). THE CAPT CONTINUED AND LANDED. THE OTHER B727 WAS BEGINNING HIS ROTATION; BUT STILL ON THE RWY WHEN WE TOUCHED DOWN. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS. I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE ASSERTIVE -- DIRECTLY QUESTIONING THE CAPT REGARDING HIS INTENTIONS. I SHOULD HAVE ALSO SAID; 'WE NEED TO GO AROUND.' CAPT CHOSE TO PRESS. AFTERWARD; HE SAID THAT THE REAL ISSUE IS THAT 'IF THE OTHER ACFT HAD ABORTED; WE COULD HAVE STOPPED BEFORE WE WOULD HAVE REACHED THE OTHER ACFT.' I DISAGREE THAT THIS WAS AN ISSUE AT ALL. WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE LANDED. ANOTHER CONTRIBUTING FACTOR: BOTH CAPT AND COPLT HAD ABOUT 50 HRS IN THEIR SEAT (CREW POS); THOUGH BOTH HAD ADDITIONAL TIME (CAPT AS FO; MYSELF AS FE). I BELIEVE CREW INEXPERIENCE CONTRIBUTED HERE.
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Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.
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