GA FLT ENGAGED IN INST TRAINING EXPERIENCES A TRACK DEV.

2000-01 · NASA ASRS report 461340

Date: 2000-01 · Aircraft: PA-28 Cherokee/Archer/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior · Phase: cruise

Anomalies: deviation-track-heading-all-types|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-clearance|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-far|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy

Synopsis

GA FLT ENGAGED IN INST TRAINING EXPERIENCES A TRACK DEV.

Narrative

ON THIS TRAINING FLT; WE HAD FILED TO FPR BUT UPON GETTING ATIS; WE DISCOVERED WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET THE ILS AND WE WERE NOT EQUIPPED TO DO THE NDB APCH. SO I ASKED THE CTLR TO CHANGE THE CLRNC TO LCL VRB AND SHOOT THE VOR/DME RWY 29L APCH; THE ACTIVE ONE AT THE TIME. THE CTLR AGREED TO THE REQUEST THEN ASKED IF WE WOULD LIKE VECTORS OR THE FULL APCH. I RESPONDED BY SAYING 'VECTORS.' HE SAID 'ROGER; PROCEED TO THE VRB VOR THEN TRACK OUTBOUND ON THE 115 DEG RADIAL; MAINTAIN 3000 FT UNTIL ZAGGA. I PROCEEDED TO FOLLOW THOSE INSTRUCTIONS THEN BY THE TIME I WAS ABOUT 1 MI E OF ZAGGA; I BEGAN TO BECOME CONCERNED ABOUT THE CTLR'S LACK OF COM WITH ME. I HEARD A CALL SIGN THAT SOUNDED CLOSE TO MINE AND ASKED THE CTLR IF THOSE INSTRUCTIONS WERE FOR ME. HE DIDN'T SAY 'YES OR NO' -- JUST THAT I WAS 11 MI FROM VRB AND I SHOULD 'HURRY UP AND TURN AROUND BECAUSE I WAS MESSING UP HIS TFC.' (NOTE: THE CTLR WAS VERY IRRITATED DUE TO THE HIGH VOLUME OF TFC HE WAS DEALING WITH AND IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET A WORD IN EDGEWISE WITH HIM.) MY STUDENT THEN PROCEEDED TO MAKE A R 360 DEG TURN. THE THOUGHT WENT THROUGH MY MIND AT THAT POINT THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER TO MAKE A L 360 DEG TO STAY ON THE HOLDING SIDE OF THE COURSE; BUT I DIDN'T STOP HIM BECAUSE I FELT WE WERE DOING A RADAR VECTORED APCH ANYWAY AND I DIDN'T WANT TO FURTHER IRRITATE THE CTLR BY TURNING ONE WAY THEN TURNING THE OTHER. AFTER A FEW MINS; THE CTLR CAME ON FREQ AND SCOLDED ME FOR MAKING A R TURN. SINCE MY INSTRUCTIONS WERE TO 'TURN AROUND;' WITHOUT BEING GIVEN A DIRECTION; I LATER EXPLAINED THAT I THOUGHT I WAS DOING RADAR VECTOR APCH; NOT PLT NAV. AFTER ALL; THAT'S WHAT I HAD ASKED FOR AND THOUGHT HE HAD AGREED TO; AS WELL. HE CAME BACK ON FREQ AND SAID HE DIDN'T WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT IT; THAT THERE WAS NO EXCUSE FOR MAKING A TURN ON THE NON-HOLDING SIDE.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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