APCH CTLR AT ORD DID NOT ISSUE TFC TO DC9 CREW ON VISUAL APCH BECAUSE AN ADVISORY HAD BEEN GIVEN THAT SIMULTANEOUS APCHS WERE IN PROGRESS.

2000-04 · NASA ASRS report 469583

Date: 2000-04 · Aircraft: DC-9 50 · Phase: descent

Anomalies: conflict-airborne-conflict|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy

Synopsis

APCH CTLR AT ORD DID NOT ISSUE TFC TO DC9 CREW ON VISUAL APCH BECAUSE AN ADVISORY HAD BEEN GIVEN THAT SIMULTANEOUS APCHS WERE IN PROGRESS.

Narrative

UPON INITIAL CHK-IN WITH ORD APCH; WE WERE TOLD TO EXPECT A SIMULTANEOUS VISUAL APCH TO RWY 27R AT ORD. WE WERE VECTORED TO ABOUT A 12 MI BASE LEG. AT 5000 FT; HDG 180 DEGS; WE WERE CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 27R. I IMMEDIATELY TURNED 45 DEGS R TO PUT MYSELF ON A DOGLEG TO FINAL. AS I ROLLED OUT OF THE R TURN; THE RWY WAS AT OUR 1:30 O'CLOCK POS; AND I IMMEDIATELY SPOTTED A LARGE ACFT AT 10 O'CLOCK POS. IT WAS DARK; BUT CLR. THE ACFT HAD ITS LNDG LIGHTS ON; WAS QUITE CLOSE; AND ALMOST CO-ALT; APPEARING TO BE ON A COLLISION COURSE. I BEGAN TO STEEPEN OUR DSCNT TO GET BELOW HIM JUST AS WE GOT A TCASII RA TO 'DSND NOW.' BECAUSE MY ATTN WAS ON THE ACFT TO MY L; I FLEW THROUGH THE LOC COURSE. WE GOT CLR OF THE CONFLICT; CORRECTED BACK TO THE LOC; AND CONTINUED THE APCH. LNDG WAS NORMAL. AFTER LNDG; I CALLED ORD APCH ON THE PHONE TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY SAW. THE CTLR TOLD ME THE OTHER ACFT WAS ON FINAL FOR RWY 27L AND HAD BEEN FOR 10 MI. I ASKED WHY WE WERE NEVER TOLD HE WAS THERE OR WHY HE WASN'T CALLED OUT AS TFC FOR US. THE CTLR SAID THAT SINCE WE WERE NOTIFIED THAT SIMULTANEOUS VISUAL APCHS WERE IN PROGRESS; THEY WERE NOT REQUIRED TO POINT OUT THE TFC FOR THE PARALLEL RWY. I TOLD THE CTLR THAT; IN MY OPINION; THE TFC SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED. AT NIGHT IT'S DIFFICULT TO JUDGE DISTANCE AND CLOSURE; ESPECIALLY WHEN ALL YOU CAN SEE IS BRIGHT LNDG LIGHTS BEARING DOWN ON YOU. BEING VECTORED 90 DEGS TO THE RWY; THEN HAVING TO DO A BELLY-UP TURN WITH TFC JUST A FEW MI AWAY IS NOT OPTIMUM EITHER. I THINK THEY SHOULD VECTOR TO A LONGER FINAL; USING A DOGLEG; WHEN THEY HAVE TFC THAT CLOSE FOR THE OTHER RWY.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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