A B747 SO RPT ON FLC ACCEPTING AN ACFT WITHOUT AN ALT WARNING SYS ON A PACIFIC FLT REQUIRING RVSM OPERATING SPECS. BASIC PROB WAS WITH THE NEW ALTIMETERS THAT COMPANY HAD REMOVED FROM ACFT WITHOUT ADVISING CREW AT GUA; GU.

2000-04 · NASA ASRS report 469699

Date: 2000-04 · Aircraft: B747 Undifferentiated or Other Model

Anomalies: aircraft-equipment-problem-critical|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-far|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-maintenance|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-mel-cdl|other-flc-gnd-coord

Synopsis

A B747 SO RPT ON FLC ACCEPTING AN ACFT WITHOUT AN ALT WARNING SYS ON A PACIFIC FLT REQUIRING RVSM OPERATING SPECS. BASIC PROB WAS WITH THE NEW ALTIMETERS THAT COMPANY HAD REMOVED FROM ACFT WITHOUT ADVISING CREW AT GUA; GU.

Narrative

WITH INTRODUCTION OF RVSM (REDUCED VERT SEPARATION MINIMUMS) AIRSPACE IN PACIFIC; AIRLINE WAS FORCED TO UPGRADE THE ALTIMETERS TO NEW GLASS ALTIMETERS NEWLY DESIGNED BY MANUFACTURER. THE NEW ALTIMETERS HAVE AN INTERNAL ALT WARNING SYS IN THE ALTIMETER. WITH THE NEW ALTIMETER INSTALLED; THE PREVIOUSLY UTILIZED INDEPENDENT ALT WARNING SYS HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM SHIPS WITH NEW ALTIMETERS. UPON ARR AT THE ACFT IN GUAM ON APR/XA/00; THE CAPT AND FO NOTICED THAT THE NEW ALTIMETERS HAD BEEN REPLACED BY OUR OLD ALTIMETERS DUE TO MAINT PROB WITH NEW ALT; BUT THE PREVIOUSLY USED INDEPENDENT ALT WARNING SYS WAS NOT INSTALLED WITH THE SET OF OLD ALTIMETERS. THIS WAS DISCUSSED BY THE CAPT AND FO WHILE I WAS PERFORMING THE PREFLT WALKAROUND AND I WAS NEVER INFORMED ABOUT THIS ANOMALY. I WAS NOT MADE AWARE OF THIS UNTIL 2 DAYS LATER WHEN IT WAS DISCOVERED THIS WAS A PROB. I BELIEVE THIS WAS A MAJOR CONTRIBUTING FACTOR IN THIS SIT (NOT BEING MADE AWARE OR INCLUDED IN DISCUSSION). THIS WAS POOR CRM AND NOT THE NORM AT AIRLINE OR BY THIS CREW. THE FLT FROM GUAM TO NARITA WAS CONDUCTED SAFELY AND WITHOUT INCIDENT. THE PROB WAS DISCOVERED IN NARITA AND CORRECTED BY MAINT. THERE WERE MANY CONTRIBUTING FACTORS IN THIS SIT: 1) THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS NEW ALTIMETER HAS BEEN HANDLED POORLY BY BOTH OUR AIRLINES AND MANUFACTURER. INSTALLATION NOT DONE ON ALL ACFT AT ONCE AND READABILITY PROBS WITH NEW ALTIMETER. 2) FLEET COMMONALITY -- 2 DIFFERENT ALTIMETERS IN FLEET WITH 3 DIFFERENT ALT WARNING SYS INSTALLED. 3) MAINT SHOULD HAVE KNOWN TO INSTALL THE OLD ALT WARNING INDICATION SYS WHEN THE OLD ALTIMETERS WERE PUT IN. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE SO FELT THAT THIS WAS AN ISOLATED INCIDENT SO FAR AS THE OMISSION OF THE ALT WARNING SYS. THE MANUFACTURER IS STILL WORKING ON THE ALTIMETER WITH MOST OF THE ISSUES BEING 'WORKED OUT.' THOSE ISSUES INCLUDED LIGHTING; INTERFACING PROBS WITH THE PMS AND VOLTAGE PROBS. AN ACI WAS ON BOARD ONE OTHER FLC WITH THE NEW ALTIMETERS AND REMARKED THAT THE LIGHTING WAS POOR. THERE WAS A FLEET INCONSISTENCY WITH ACFT HAVING TOO MANY POSSIBLE COMBINATIONS OF ALT WARNING SYS AND ALTIMETERS. THE FLT WAS NOT LEGAL FOR A FLT WITHIN THE RVSM AIRSPACE. THE CAPT DID SEND AN AIR SAFETY RPT TO THE COMPANY. THE FO SENT ONE TO THE UNION SAFETY DEPT. WHEN NOTED AT THE RAMP; THE CAPT AND FO DID NOT RELATE THE PROB TO THE SO WHO FOUND OUT ENRTE.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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