NMAC BTWN AN SMT TRAINING FLT ON FINAL AND ANOTHER ACFT TURNED BASE TO FINAL BY TWR CTLR TOO EARLY FOR SEPARATION WITH RPTR ACFT X.

2001-04 · NASA ASRS report 507463

Date: 2001-04 · Aircraft: Airliner 99 · Phase: approach

Anomalies: conflict-nmac|other-atc-handling

Synopsis

NMAC BTWN AN SMT TRAINING FLT ON FINAL AND ANOTHER ACFT TURNED BASE TO FINAL BY TWR CTLR TOO EARLY FOR SEPARATION WITH RPTR ACFT X.

Narrative

I ESTABLISHED ACFT X ON THE ILS LOC/GS TO RWY 28L AND WAS CLRED FOR THE STRAIGHT-IN TO RWY 28L BY PDX ATC (126.9 MHZ). SHORTLY THEREAFTER; I WAS HANDED OFF TO PDX TWR ON 123.77 MHZ WHO CLRED ME TO LAND BEHIND ACFT Z ON SHORT FINAL. (I RPTED THAT ACFT IN SIGHT AS REQUESTED.) ACFT Y WAS S OF THE ARPT COMPLEX ENTERING ON THE L DOWNWIND FOR RWY 28L. THE PDX TWR CTLR FIRST INSTRUCTED ACFT Y TO TURN BASE (I THINK THEY WERE ATTEMPTING TO PUT HIM BTWN MYSELF AND THE BE99 OVER THE NUMBERS). AS ACFT Y STARTED THE TURN; THE PDX TWR CTLR INSTRUCTED ACFT Y TO DISREGARD THE PREVIOUS INSTRUCTION; TURN BACK TO THE DOWNWIND; AND PLAN TO TURN BASE JUST E OF ROCKY BUTTE (WOULD RESULT IN AN APPROX 2 MI BASE TURN). AS I DSNDED THROUGH 1000 FT AND ABOUT 3 MI FINAL; THE PDX TWR CTLR AGAIN INSTRUCTED ACFT Y TO TURN BASE. ACFT Y WAS ALREADY CLOSER IN THAN USUAL DUE TO THE PREVIOUS MANEUVERS AND ABOVE ME WHEN HE STARTED THE TURN. 2 THINGS BECAME APPARENT: 1) THE PDX TWR CTLR MADE AN ERROR IN ISSUING A BASE TURN INSTRUCTION TO ACFT Y AT THAT TIME. 2) THE PLT OF ACFT Y HAD LOST SIGHT OF MY ACFT ON FINAL (PROBABLY UNDER HIS NOSE STRUCTURE); AND/OR ASSUMED THAT I WAS FURTHER DOWN THE FINAL APCH THAN I ACTUALLY WAS. MY REACTION WAS TO CALL THIS TO THE ATTN OF THE PDX TWR CTLR AS SOON AS THE RADIO WAS CLR BY SAYING 'PORTLAND TWR; THIS ISN'T GOING TO WORK; ACFT X.' MOMENTS LATER (AS ACFT X WAS TURNING FINAL AND PARALLELING MY ACFT A FEW HUNDRED FT ABOVE AND TO THE S); THE PDX TWR CTLR ISSUED INSTRUCTIONS TO ACFT Y TO MAINTAIN ALT AND TURN L TO RE-ENTER THE DOWNWIND FOR RWY 28L; WHICH HE PROMPTLY DID. THE CLOSEST PROX BTWN THE 2 ACFT WAS APPROX 300 FT VERTLY AND 500 FT HORIZLY. THE RELATIVE MOTION OF THE 2 ACFT DID NOT INDICATE AN IMPENDING COLLISION.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

Loading the flight search…

Frequently asked questions

How do I search flights by aircraft type on FlightFinder?

Pick an aircraft model — Boeing 737, Airbus A320, A380, Boeing 787 Dreamliner and more — enter your origin airport, and FlightFinder shows every route that plane flies from there with live fares.

Which aircraft types can I filter by?

We support Boeing 737/747/757/767/777/787, the full Airbus A220/A319/A320/A321/A330/A340/A350/A380 family, Embraer E170/E175/E190/E195, Bombardier CRJ and Dash 8, and the ATR 42/72 turboprops.

Is FlightFinder free to use?

Search and schedules are free. Pro ($4.99/month, $39/year, or $99 one-time lifetime) unlocks the enriched flight card — on-time stats, CO₂ per passenger, amenities, live gate & weather — plus My Trips with push alerts.

Where does the route data come from?

Live schedules come from Amadeus, AeroDataBox and Travelpayouts. Observed routes (which aircraft actually flew a given city pair) are crowdsourced from adsb.lol ADS-B data under the Open Database License.