PA28 TRAINING FLC CHALLENGED BY MRY CTLR ABOUT TURN DIRECTION AS PLT PERCEIVES VECTOR WILL TAKE HIM FURTHER INTO HIGHER TERRAIN.

2001-08 · NASA ASRS report 523149

Date: 2001-08 · Aircraft: PA-28R Cherokee Arrow All Series · Phase: approach

Anomalies: deviation-track-heading-all-types|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-clearance|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy|inflight-event-encounter-cftt-cfit

Synopsis

PA28 TRAINING FLC CHALLENGED BY MRY CTLR ABOUT TURN DIRECTION AS PLT PERCEIVES VECTOR WILL TAKE HIM FURTHER INTO HIGHER TERRAIN.

Narrative

ACFT WAS ON ROUND-ROBIN IFR TRAINING FLT. OCCUPANTS: PVT PLT IFR STUDENT; CFII (SUBMITTER) AND HIGH TIME IFR RATED OBSERVER. ACFT RPTED MISSED APCH AT WVI. RECEIVED INSTRUCTIONS TO FLY 'PUBLISHED MISSED APCH; EXCEPT CLB AND MAINTAIN 5000 FT.' APPROX 2 DME FROM SNS VORTAC; WE HAD RECEIVED NO FURTHER COM FROM APCH CTL. I ASKED IF WE SHOULD ENTER HOLDING AT SNS AS PUBLISHED; OR WHAT. THE CTLR INSTRUCTED US TO 'DEPART SNS VOR HDG 150 DEGS.' THIS WAS READ BACK. A FEW MINS LATER; WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO 'TURN R TO 170 DEGS.' THIS; TOO; WAS READ BACK. THERE WAS A CONSIDERABLE PERIOD OF SILENCE. AS WE WERE NEARING INTERCEPT OF THE RWY 28L LOC (I-MTB); I ASKED FOR A RADIO CHK. THE CTLR RESPONDED 'LOUD AND CLR.' I THEN STATED 'SIR; IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE XING THE LOC.' BY NOW; WE WERE IN FACT ACROSS THE LOC; HDG 170 DEGS; AT OR BELOW MVA; HDG TOWARD HIGH TERRAIN. THE CTLR RESPONDED 'TURN L TO 250 DEGS; INTERCEPT THE LOC; MAINTAIN 5000 FT TILL ESTABLISHED; CLRED FOR LOC DME RWY 28L APCH.' WITH A FINAL INBOUND COURSE OF 278 DEGS; BEING S OF THE LOC; HDG TOWARD HIGH TERRAIN; I TURNED R (SHORTEST DISTANCE AWAY FROM TERRAIN) TO INTERCEPT A LOC NEEDLE THAT WAS ABOUT 2 DEGS R. INTERCEPT OCCURRED AND APCH WAS EXECUTED WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT EXCEPT THE CTLR CAME UP ON THE RADIO AND ANGRILY STATED 'I TOLD YOU TO TURN L; YOU TURNED R. THAT'S A PLTDEV. NEXT TIME; DO WHAT I TELL YOU OR I'LL HAVE YOU CALL UP AND WE'LL TAKE FOLLOW-UP ACTION.' I DID NOT FEEL UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES -- AT OR BELOW MVA; S OF LOC; HDG 170 DEGS -- THAT I HAD TIME TO DISCUSS THE MATTER FURTHER. I DID CALL TWR; ON MY OWN INITIATIVE; TO SEE HOW I MAY HAVE BETTER HANDLED THE SIT. THE PERSON I TALKED TO TOLD ME THAT: I COULD HAVE QUESTIONED THE INSTRUCTIONS FURTHER. AS STATED; DIDN'T THINK VECTOR; ALT AND TERRAIN WERE CONDUCIVE TO LENGTHY DISCUSSION OF THE MATTER. OR ASK FOR HIGHER -- PERHAPS -- HOWEVER; WHEN S OF COURSE (278 DEGS) AND ASSIGNED VECTOR OF 250 DEGS FOR INTERCEPT; IT JUST WON'T WORK. WIND FROM NW. ANOTHER CONCERN: WHEN IN IMC AND EXPERIENCING THE 'UNCERTAINTIES' OUTLINED HERE; THE LAST THING THE PLT NEEDS TO HEAR IS A RADIO THREAT OF ENFORCEMENT ACTION -- IT JUST UNNECESSARILY ADDS TO THE ANXIETY ALREADY PRESENT. IF THERE IS A NEED FOR SUCH DIALOGUE; LET THE ACFT LAND; ASK FOR A CALL TO TWR; HAVE A MEETING/DISCUSSION.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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