A PA28 TRAINING FLT OVERSHOOTS THE ASSIGNED RWY DURING AN ATTEMPT BY THE INSTRUCTOR PLT TO GAIN THE CTLS FROM THE STUDENT PLT AND CREATES AN NMAC WITH A HAWKER ON APCH TO RWY 30C AT IWA; AZ.

2001-10 · NASA ASRS report 527451

Date: 2001-10 · Aircraft: PA-28 Cherokee/Archer/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior · Phase: approach

Anomalies: atc-issue-all-types|conflict-nmac|deviation-speed-all-types|deviation-track-heading-all-types|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-far|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-clearance|inflight-event-encounter-loss-of-aircraft-control|other-stu-plt-response

Synopsis

A PA28 TRAINING FLT OVERSHOOTS THE ASSIGNED RWY DURING AN ATTEMPT BY THE INSTRUCTOR PLT TO GAIN THE CTLS FROM THE STUDENT PLT AND CREATES AN NMAC WITH A HAWKER ON APCH TO RWY 30C AT IWA; AZ.

Narrative

THIS WAS AN INSTRUCTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCE. THE STUDENT WAS NOT PERFORMING HIS TASK OF NEGOTIATING THE TFC PATTERN PROCS DURING LNDG PRACTICE. THIS STUDENT HAS LOGGED APPROX 4 HRS OF DUAL TO DATE. I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE STUDENT TO THE PRACTICE AREA AS SOON AS I FELT HE WAS NOT PERFORMING TO STANDARD PROCS; BUT THIS WAS OUR FIRST CIRCUIT. THINKING WE HAD RECTIFIED OUR LACK OF PROCS ON DOWNWIND THE STUDENT TURNED BASE ADDED SECOND NOTCH OF FLAPS AND BEGAN PULLING UP ON THE NOSE OF THE ACFT. AS I BEGAN APPLYING NOSE DOWN PRESSURE TO THE CTL WHEEL (AFTER POINTING OUT TWICE THE DETERIORATING AIRSPD) THE STUDENT BEGAN TO RESIST ME. I ASKED TWICE FOR HIM TO RELEASE THE CTLS AND HE FINALLY DID. BY THIS TIME WE HAD PASSED FINAL FOR RWY 30L AND HAD INCURRED ON RWY 30C. THE HAWKER SIDLEY JET THAT WAS ON FINAL AS WELL; TOOK EVASIVE ACTION MOVING L AND OVERFLYING RWY 30L. HE OVERTOOK US AND WE THEN WENT AROUND AND MADE A FULL STOP LNDG. I SPOKE WITH GATEWAY TWR IMMEDIATELY AFTER PARKING THE ACFT. NO PAPERWORK WAS TO BE FILED REGARDING THE INCIDENT.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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