GA ACFT ON SHORT BASE TO FINAL PERFORMS A GAR WHEN RPTR'S PA34 IS ON THE TKOF ROLL AT UYF; OH.

2003-06 · NASA ASRS report 585572

Date: 2003-06 · Aircraft: PA-34-200 Seneca I

Anomalies: conflict-ground-conflict|less-severe|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-other-unknown|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy|ground-incursion-runway

Synopsis

GA ACFT ON SHORT BASE TO FINAL PERFORMS A GAR WHEN RPTR'S PA34 IS ON THE TKOF ROLL AT UYF; OH.

Narrative

I WAS HOLDING SHORT OF THE ACTIVE RWY; CHKED THE FINAL APCH; NO TFC. I WAS AWARE OF 1 AIRPLANE IN THE PATTERN WHO HAD ANNOUNCED DOWNWIND. I LOOKED ON THE DOWNWIND; NO TFC. I ASSUMED THEY WERE JUST TURNING DOWNWIND. AS I CROSSED THE HOLD SHORT LINE; I NOTICED THE 'DOWNWIND' AIRPLANE STARTING HIS BASE TURN. IT STILL APPEARED TO BE NO FACTOR; BUT CLOSER THAN I LIKE; SO I EXPEDITED MY TKOF RATHER THAN STOP PAST THE HOLD SHORT AND RISK A TECHNICAL RWY INCURSION. AS I CLBED OUT I HEARD THAT THE OTHER AIRPLANE WENT AROUND. THIS SURPRISED ME BECAUSE IT REALLY APPEARED TO BE NO FACTOR; YES CLOSER THAN I LIKE; BUT NO FACTOR. IT STILL BOTHERED ME THAT I CAUSED A PLT TO GO AROUND. EVEN IF IT APPEARED TO BE NO FACTOR TO ME; THIS PLT EXERCISED HIS JUDGEMENT AND WENT AROUND. I COMMEND THIS PLT FOR DECIDING TO GO AROUND. I TALKED TO ANOTHER PLT WHO HAPPENED TO BE THERE AT THE TIME; AND HE SAID IT REALLY DIDN'T LOOK THAT CLOSE TO HIM EITHER. HE THOUGHT THAT THE OTHER PLT WAS A STUDENT; AND MIGHT HAVE GONE AROUND BECAUSE HE WAS TOO HIGH ON FINAL. WHATEVER THE CASE; THIS OTHER PLT ACTED MORE CONSERVATIVELY AND HENCE; MORE SAFELY THAN I DID. WHAT WE CAN LEARN FROM THIS: 1) YOU CAN'T ASSUME IT. YOU MUST SEE IT. IF YOU FIND YOURSELF ASSUMING IN A SIT WHERE YOU REALLY SHOULD BE SEEING; STOP; OR JUST SLOW DOWN LONG ENOUGH TO 'RESOLVE' YOUR ASSUMPTION. 2) SOMETHING THAT IS 'NO FACTOR' TO 1 PLT; MAY APPEAR TO BE 'A FACTOR' TO ANOTHER PLT. REGARDLESS OF RELATIVE EXPERIENCE; IF THAT IS THE CASE HERE; I HAVE TO EXAMINE MY ACTIONS FOR POSSIBLE COMPLACENCY OR OVER CONFIDENCE.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

Loading the flight search…

Frequently asked questions

How do I search flights by aircraft type on FlightFinder?

Pick an aircraft model — Boeing 737, Airbus A320, A380, Boeing 787 Dreamliner and more — enter your origin airport, and FlightFinder shows every route that plane flies from there with live fares.

Which aircraft types can I filter by?

We support Boeing 737/747/757/767/777/787, the full Airbus A220/A319/A320/A321/A330/A340/A350/A380 family, Embraer E170/E175/E190/E195, Bombardier CRJ and Dash 8, and the ATR 42/72 turboprops.

Is FlightFinder free to use?

Search and schedules are free. Pro ($4.99/month, $39/year, or $99 one-time lifetime) unlocks the enriched flight card — on-time stats, CO₂ per passenger, amenities, live gate & weather — plus My Trips with push alerts.

Where does the route data come from?

Live schedules come from Amadeus, AeroDataBox and Travelpayouts. Observed routes (which aircraft actually flew a given city pair) are crowdsourced from adsb.lol ADS-B data under the Open Database License.