FLT CREW OF C750 ADVISED BY SCT CTLR THAT THEIR DEP PATH FROM SMO CAUSED A POTENTIAL CONFLICT WITH DEPS FROM THE N COMPLEX AT LAX.

2003-07 · NASA ASRS report 589293

Date: 2003-07 · Aircraft: Citation X (C750) · Phase: climb

Anomalies: airspace-violation-all-types|conflict-airborne-conflict|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-clearance|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-far

Synopsis

FLT CREW OF C750 ADVISED BY SCT CTLR THAT THEIR DEP PATH FROM SMO CAUSED A POTENTIAL CONFLICT WITH DEPS FROM THE N COMPLEX AT LAX.

Narrative

ON AN IFR FLT FROM SMO TO SAN WE WERE GIVEN THE FOLLOWING CLRNC FROM SMO GND CTLR. 'FLY RWY HEADING TO THE LAX 310 DEG RADIAL; TURN R TO 250 DEG RADAR VECTORS TO JOIN THE LAX 118 DEGS TO MZB 320 DEGS; MZB DIRECT SAN; MAINTAIN 3000 FT EXPECT 11000 FT IN 5 MINS.' PRIOR TO TKOF THE CAPT AND I BOTH TUNED OUR RESPECTIVE VORS TO THE LAX 310 DEG RADIAL FOR THE TURN. WE TOOK OFF AND WHEN THE CDI CTRED ON THE 310 DEG RADIAL FROM LAX; WE TURNED TO THE HEADING ASSIGNED IN THE CLRNC. THE TURN WAS AT STANDARD RATE AS COMMANDED BY THE FLT DIRECTOR. WHEN WE LANDED IN SAN; WE WERE TOLD BY THE GND CTLR TO CALL SOCAL APCH; WHO HAD A QUESTION FOR US. THE SOCAL CTLR ADVISED THAT OUR TURN WAS TOO LATE AND A TFC CONFLICT COULD HAVE HAPPENED. WE FLEW THE DEP AS CLRED AND TURNED AS INSTRUCTED; SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE WE COULD HAVE DONE TO AVOID THIS AGAIN; GIVEN THE SAME CLRNC. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 589295: THE FEELING I GET WHEN TALKING WITH OTHER PLTS IS THAT THE TURN SHOULD BE STARTED PRIOR TO REACHING THE LAX 310 DEG RADIAL. IF A MORE SPECIFIC CLRNC COULD BE GIVEN BY GND CTL OR AN FMS DEP PROC DEVELOPED THIS WOULD REDUCE ANY AMBIGUITY THAT MAY EXIST WITH PRESENT CLRNCS. CONTINUATION OF ACN 589293: HOWEVER SINCE THE 310 DEG RADIAL IS ON THE EDGE OF THE LAX CLASS B AIRSPACE; I FEEL THAT ATC; AND THE COMPANY SHOULD WORK TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH A BETTER DEP. A TURN TO 250 DEGS XING THE LAX 311 DEG RADIAL; BUT PRIOR TO THE 310 DEG RADIAL; SHOULD SOLVE THE PROB. ALSO; ATC SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT NOT ALL ACFT HAVE THE SAME TURNING RADIUS AT STANDARD RATE (SPD VARYING); ALSO SHOULD KEEP THIS IN MIND WHEN WORKING ACFT; SO CLOSE TO CRITICAL AIRSPACE BOUNDARIES. ANOTHER SOLUTION MIGHT BE TO FLY THE DEP AT A SLOWER SPD AND TURN AT AN ANGLE GREATER THAN STANDARD RATE (NOT THE SAFEST OPTION; OR FEASIBLE). I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE QUITE A FEW POLITICAL ISSUES INVOLVED HERE AS WELL; IN REGARDS TO THE NOISE FACTOR AT SMO.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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