2003-08 · NASA ASRS report 591925
S80 EXPERIENCED RA AND GAR AT STL AND COMPLAINS ABOUT ON-GOING VISUAL SIDE BY PROCS.
STL APCH CTLRS CONTINUE TO PLACE ACFT IN HAZARDOUS SITS BY PLACING THEM ABEAM EACH OTHER WHEN RUNNING PARALLEL VISUAL APCHS. I'VE GONE AROUND SEVERAL TIMES FOR TCASII RA'S BECAUSE RESPONDING TO A CLB RA RESULTS IN THE ACFT BEING TOO HIGH FOR A NORMAL APCH AND LNDG. I'VE WRITTEN UP SOME OF THESE INCIDENTS TO RPT DANGEROUS SITS. SOME I HAVEN'T WRITTEN UP BECAUSE I REALIZE THAT IT'S PROBABLY NOT DOING A BIT OF GOOD. IN AN ANSWER TO ONE; I WAS TOLD THAT STL APCH GENERALLY ATTEMPTS TO PROVIDE AN OFFSET; BUT THAT DIFFERENCES IN ACFT SPD SOMETIMES RESULTS IN THEM BEING ABEAM EACH OTHER. THAT MAY BE A GOAL; BUT IN PRACTICE; IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN. IT'S OBVIOUS BY THE VECTORS AND AIRSPD CORRECTIONS RECEIVED; THAT THE GOAL OF MOST CTLRS IS TO PLACE THE 2 ARRIVING ACFT ON PARALLEL RWYS ABEAM EACH OTHER ON FINAL. ON THIS FLT WE WERE CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 12R. NO MENTION WAS MADE OF OTHER TFC. WHILE ON APCH; INSIDE THE MARKER; WE RECEIVED A DSNDING RA FOR AN RJ ABEAM US ON A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 12L. A CLBING RA THAT RUINS AN APCH AND RESULTS IN A GAR THAT SCARES PAX AND WASTES FUEL IS BAD ENOUGH. A DSNDING RA WHEN CONFIGURED INSIDE THE MARKER -- IS JUST PLAIN DANGEROUS. TELLING 1 ACFT TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION AND NOT EVEN CALLING THE TFC TO THE OTHER ACFT IS LUDICROUS. THIS IS AT LEAST THE THIRD TIME WITHIN THE LAST 6 MONTHS THAT I'VE RECEIVED AN RA WHILE ON APCH IN STL WITHOUT ANY PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF THE OWNER ACFT. TWR'S RESPONSE WAS; 'I'VE GOT YOU BOTH IN SIGHT; SO IT'S OK.' HOW CAN THAT BE OK. THE PRACTICE OF PUTTING ACFT ABEAM EACH OTHER IS LEGAL; I ASSUME; BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS DO IT. FROM A PLT'S PERSPECTIVE; IT IS AN INCREDIBLE DISTR. DISTR IS ANOTHER LINK IN THE ACCIDENT CHAIN. SEEING ANOTHER ACFT THAT CLOSE SCARES OUR PAX. MANY HAVE SPOKEN OF IT WHILE GETTING OFF THE ACFT. GAR'S REALLY SCARE THE PEOPLE; AND WE DO A LOT IN STL. GAR'S WASTE FUEL. I ALWAYS TAKE EXTRA FUEL TO STL BECAUSE I HAVE TO PLAN ON AT LEAST 1 GAR. CARRYING THAT EXTRA FUEL WASTES FUEL.
Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.
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