FLT CREW OF E135 DISAGREE AS TO LEGALITY OF TKOF FROM LFT WITH RVR OF 1200 FT AND NO CTRLINE LIGHTS AVAILABLE.

2003-10 · NASA ASRS report 596081

Date: 2003-10 · Aircraft: EMB ERJ 135 ER/LR

Anomalies: deviation-discrepancy-procedural-far|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy

Synopsis

FLT CREW OF E135 DISAGREE AS TO LEGALITY OF TKOF FROM LFT WITH RVR OF 1200 FT AND NO CTRLINE LIGHTS AVAILABLE.

Narrative

THE INITIAL ASOS; RECEIVED RPTED 1/4 MI VISIBILITY AND VERT VISIBILITY OF 100 FT. THE UPDATED ATIS RPTED LESS THAN 1/4 MI VISIBILITY; 100 FT 'VV' AND RVR FOR RWY 22L AT 1200 FT. I INFORMED THE CAPT OF THE CHANGE. I TURNED TO THE 'IFR LOWER THAN STANDARD TKOF MINIMUMS' PAGES OF OUR OPS MANUAL AND STARTED TO REVIEW IT. THEN THE WT AND BAL LOAD MANIFEST ARRIVED FROM THE RAMP. I WAS ABOUT TO HAND MY MANUAL TO THE CAPT; SO HE COULD CONFIRM THE REQUIREMENTS; WHEN I SAW HE HAD HIS MANUAL OPEN TO THE SAME PAGE. SO I PUT MY BOOK ASIDE AND PROCEEDED TO COMPLETE THE WT AND BAL CALCULATIONS. WE CLOSED THE BOARDING DOOR AND LEFT THE GATE ON TIME. BEFORE I CALLED GND CTL; I QUERIED THE CAPT ABOUT THE 'LOWER THAN STANDARD TKOF MINIMUMS.' I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE COULDN'T GO YET BECAUSE THE REG STATED THAT WE NEEDED (CL) CTRLINE LIGHTS WHEN USING RWY 22L WITH 1200 FT RVR; WHICH WAS CTLING OVER THE LESS THAN 1/4 MI ON RWY 4R. THE CAPT REMARKED THAT WE COULD TAKE OFF BECAUSE WE HAD TO HAVE HIRL (WHICH LFT HAD) OR CTRLINE LIGHTS (WHICH LFT DIDN'T HAVE). I DEFERRED TO THE CAPT'S DECISION BECAUSE HE HAD MORE EXPERIENCE WITH 'LOWER THAN STANDARD TKOFS' AND ALSO BECAUSE I HAD ONLY SKIMMED THE REQUIREMENTS PAGE OF THE OPS MANUAL BEFORE GOING TO MY WT AND BAL PAPERWORK. I THOUGHT THAT I HAD POSSIBLY MISREAD THE REQUIREMENT AND DIDN'T WANT TO DELAY THE FLT UNNECESSARILY; AS THE CAPT WAS SO SURE OF HIMSELF. AT THIS POINT I DIDN'T PUSH THE ISSUE AND THOUGHT THAT I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE WORDING. I ASKED THE CAPT IF HE WOULD CLARIFY THE REQUIREMENT AT OUR DEST; AS HE HAD MENTIONED NOT WANTING TO GET BEHIND IN THE SCHEDULE BECAUSE OF OUR 5 FLT LEG DAY. WE TOOK OFF AND UNEVENTFULLY PROCEEDED TO OUR DEST. ONCE PARKED AT THE GATE; THE CAPT RE-READ THE OPS MANUAL AND INFORMED ME THAT I WAS CORRECT ABOUT THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE THE VISUAL AID OF CTRLINE LIGHTS. ALSO REQUIRED WAS RVR EQUIP AVAILABLE WITH 1200 FT TOUCHDOWN AND 1000 FT ROLLOUT RVR. AS FO I SHOULD HAVE HAD MORE CONFIDENCE IN WHAT I READ AND REQUESTED THAT THE CAPT REVIEW IT WITH ME BEFORE LEAVING THE GATE; NOT UPON ARR AT THE DEST. GOOD CRM WOULD HAVE ELIMINATED OUR MISTAKE HAD WE HAD INCLUDED THE 'LOWER THAN STANDARD TKOF MINIMUM' REQUIREMENTS AS PART OF THE PREFLT BRIEFING TOGETHER.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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