2004-01 · NASA ASRS report 604683
EMJ FLT CREW AND A BONANZA HAD A LESS THAN COMFORTABLE SEPARATION DEPARTING TXK.
RECEIVED CLRNC FROM TXK GND; 'CLB 2000 FT AND ON COURSE AFTER DEP.' FO QUESTIONED THE LOW ALT CLRNC LIMIT AND GND REPLIED; 'ZFW CTR REQUEST.' A BEECH BONANZA DEPARTED VFR ON RWY 4 PRIOR TO OUR DEP WHEN WE WERE RELEASED. WE DEPARTED ON COURSE TO THE TXK VOR. CLBING THROUGH 500 FT; WE CONTACTED FT WORTH AND WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN 20000 FT. THE ZFW CTLR SPENT THE NEXT SEVERAL MINS TALKING TO A T-37 AND OTHER CIVILIAN ACFT. APPROX 1 MI FROM THE TXK VOR; WBOUND; FO SAW THE BONANZA AT OUR 9 O'CLOCK POS; HDG W WITHIN 1/2 MI FROM OUR POS. WE DID NOT GET AN RA OR AN ADVISORY FROM FT WORTH. WE DEVIATED R AND MAINTAINED 2000 FT BECAUSE ANOTHER ACFT WAS 1000 FT ABOVE US. WHEN WE WERE FINALLY ABLE TO SPEAK TO FT WORTH; FO TOLD HIM WHAT HAPPENED AND HE SAID HE WAS NOT IN CONTACT WITH THE BEECH AND NEVER SAW HIM. FURTHERMORE; THE FT WORTH CTLR ASSUMED WE WERE A TURBOPROP FLT WHEN HE GAVE US DISCRETION TO 11000 FT BEFORE WE HAD REACHED CRUISE ALT. WE HOPE THAT THE OUTCOME OF THIS CLOSE CALL IS TO MAKE THE FT WORTH CTLRS WHO HANDLE THAT LOW SECTOR NEAR TXK BE BRIEFED ON HOW TO PROPERLY HANDLE TURBOJET TFC OUT OF TXK. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 604684: I QUESTIONED ATC UPON TAXI TO FIND OUT IF 2000 FT WAS THE ALT HE WANTED US TO CLB TO AFTER DEP; SINCE WE ARE A TURBOJET. ATC ANSWERED AFFIRMATIVE. UPON TKOF; WE LEVELED OFF AT 2000 FT. THE FIRST FIX WAS THE TXK VOR; WHICH IS WITHIN THE ARPT TERMINAL AREA. AT THAT POINT; WE CAME WITHOUT 1/2 MI OF A SINGLE ENG BONANZA AT THE SAME ALT -- 2000 FT. ATC DID NOT ADVISE US OF THE CONFLICT OF TFC. I POINTED THE TFC OUT AND THE CAPT MADE EVASIVE MANEUVERS. I QUESTIONED CTR IF HE HAD ANY TFC IN OUR VICINITY AND HE POINTED OUT THE TFC WE AVOIDED. AT NO TIME DID I HEAR ANY COM FROM THAT ACFT WITH ATC. IT APPEARS THAT THE SINGLE ENG BONANZA WAS FLYING TO; OR HOLDING AT; THE VOR AT 2000 FT. AFTER THE EVASIVE MANEUVERS; WE CONTINUED THE FLT WITHOUT ANY FURTHER INCIDENT. WE STAYED AT 2000 FT FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER 20-30 MI BEFORE RECEIVING A FURTHER CLB CLRNC.
Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.
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