CL65 ACR CREW ENRTE TO VLD ARE UNABLE TO MAKE DSCNTS ISSUED BY A MIL APCH CTLR AND FELT THE CLRNCS WERE UNREASONABLE.

2004-09 · NASA ASRS report 629560

Date: 2004-09 · Aircraft: Regional Jet 200 ER/LR (CRJ200) · Phase: approach

Anomalies: deviation-altitude-crossing-restriction-not-met|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy

Synopsis

CL65 ACR CREW ENRTE TO VLD ARE UNABLE TO MAKE DSCNTS ISSUED BY A MIL APCH CTLR AND FELT THE CLRNCS WERE UNREASONABLE.

Narrative

ACR FLT TO VLD. ASSIGNED RTE: PZD DIRECT HARKE DIRECT OTK DIRECT VLD. DSCNT CLRNC WAS ISSUED TO 11000 FT AND WE WERE TOLD 'EXPECT HARKE AT 7000 FT.' THIS WAS FOLLOWED BY 'DSND TO ONE; ONE; ELEVEN THOUSAND; TFC A BARON; AT TEN THOUSAND.' AFTER PASSING THE TFC AT 11000 FT; WE WERE TOLD 'CROSS HARKE AT 7000 FT.' AT THIS POINT; WE WERE TOO CLOSE TO HARKE INTXN TO MEET THE XING RESTR; EVEN AT FLT IDLE AND WITH THE FLT SPOILERS FULLY DEPLOYED. AT THIS TIME; WE RECEIVED OUR NEXT FREQ (STILL VALDOSTA APCH) AND THIS CTLR SAID 'REACHING 7000 FT; CLRED DIRECT VALDOSTA.' THIS WAS ALREADY OUR CLRNC! PZD..HARKE..OTK. SINCE WE WERE PAST HARKE; WE WERE ALREADY DIRECT VALDOSTA; EVEN THOUGH WE WERE NOT AT 7000 FT. THESE MIL CTLRS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE LIMITS TO THE DSCNT RATES ACHIEVABLE IN PAX-CARRYING TRANSPORT CATEGORY AIRPLANES. ADDITIONALLY; THE SECOND VALDOSTA APCH CTLR TOLD US THAT WE SHOULD HAVE CONTINUED ON A HDG SBOUND UNTIL REACHING 7000 FT. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT WHEN OUR CLRNC WAS PZD..HARKE..OTK..VLD. OUR OBLIGATION IS TO FOLLOW OUR CURRENT CLRNC; NOT GUESS WHAT HDG THEY MIGHT WANT WHEN WE CANNOT MEET AN UNREASONABLE CLRNC.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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