2007-08 · NASA ASRS report 748903
ACR CAPTAIN FEELS GROUND CREWS ARE INADEQUATELY TRAINED ON HAND SIGNALS REGARDING ENGINE START FIRES.
VERY RARELY IS AN INTERPHONE CHK DONE WITH THE CAPT. ALMOST ALWAYS A 'RELEASE BRAKES' REQUEST IS MADE IN THE FIRST TWO SECONDS OF THE FIRST INTERPHONE CALL FROM GND. IF THERE IS THREE TO FIVE MINUTES OF INTERPHONE STATIC AND RANDOM NOISES; A GND PERSON VISUALIZES AND GIVES A RELEASE BRAKES SIGNAL. I HAVE FOUND THAT THE SAME PERSON THAT IS SIGNALING TO ME WITH HAND SIGNALS DOES NOT KNOW THE 'ENG FIRE ON START' SIGNAL. THEN THAT PERSON DISAPPEARS TO BE REPLACED BY ANOTHER WHO ALSO DOES NOT KNOW THE SIGNAL. A PERIOD OF WAITING OCCURS AND THEN SOMEONE; USUALLY FROM THE BUILDING; ARRIVES THAT KNOWS THE CORRECT SIGNAL. LESS THAN 20 PERCENT KNOW THE CORRECT SIGNAL!CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: REPORTER ADVISED AT HIS ACR THERE ARE ESTABLISHED SIGNALS FOR ENGINE FIRES DURING START. HIS CONCERN IS SPECIFICALLY THE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF THOSE SIGNALS ON THE PART OF THE GND CREWS. THE RPTR FEELS THIS IS A RESULT OF INSUFFICIENT TRAINING; HIGH TURNOVER RATES AND LACK OF PROFESSIONAL COMMITMENT ON THE PART OF THOSE HIRED TO DO THE WORK. REPORTER ALSO COMMENTED THAT THE LACK OF ADHERENCE TO SOP EXTENDS TO OTHER REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS MEETING AND BRIEFING WITH THE FLT CREW PRIOR TO CLOSING THE CABIN DOOR WHEN A PUSH WITHOUT RADIO CONTACT WILL BE NECESSARY.
Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.
Loading the flight search…
Pick an aircraft model — Boeing 737, Airbus A320, A380, Boeing 787 Dreamliner and more — enter your origin airport, and FlightFinder shows every route that plane flies from there with live fares.
We support Boeing 737/747/757/767/777/787, the full Airbus A220/A319/A320/A321/A330/A340/A350/A380 family, Embraer E170/E175/E190/E195, Bombardier CRJ and Dash 8, and the ATR 42/72 turboprops.
Search and schedules are free. Pro ($4.99/month, $39/year, or $99 one-time lifetime) unlocks the enriched flight card — on-time stats, CO₂ per passenger, amenities, live gate & weather — plus My Trips with push alerts.
Live schedules come from Amadeus, AeroDataBox and Travelpayouts. Observed routes (which aircraft actually flew a given city pair) are crowdsourced from adsb.lol ADS-B data under the Open Database License.