A319 FO REPORTS BEING DISPATCHED ON LONG FLIGHT WITH MEL ON ENGINE ANTI-ICE REQUIRING NO ICING CONDITIONS; WHICH COULD NOT BE MAINTAINED.

2008-07 · NASA ASRS report 793937

Date: 2008-07 · Aircraft: A319 · Phase: cruise

Anomalies: deviation-discrepancy-procedural-far|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-mel-cdl|inflight-event-encounter-weather-turbulence

Synopsis

A319 FO REPORTS BEING DISPATCHED ON LONG FLIGHT WITH MEL ON ENGINE ANTI-ICE REQUIRING NO ICING CONDITIONS; WHICH COULD NOT BE MAINTAINED.

Narrative

#1 ENG BLEED WAS WRITTEN UP FOR ECAM ON INBOUND FLT. AGAIN (HOW OFTEN IS THIS GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN?) MAINT CTL DID NOT CONTACT DEST STATION MAINT TO SIGN OFF ISSUE. SO WE SHOW UP TO THE PLANE IN THE AM WITH OPEN WRITE UP. SEND ACARS; WAIT; WAIT; WAIT; MAINT NEVER SHOWS UP (AGAIN; HOW HARD CAN IT BE FOR MAINT CTL TO CALL MAINT OUT?). CAPT CALLS DISPATCHER AND THEY DECIDE TO MEL ISSUE WITH RESTR OF NO ICING CONDITIONS. I MADE IT CLR WHEN I HEARD THIS I WAS UNCOMFORTABLE AND DID NOT AGREE WITH THIS COURSE OF ACTION. IT'S SUMMER; HUMID; AND TO FLY 1800 MI; AT 30000 FT AND NOT GO IN THE CLOUDS IS NOT REALISTIC. I COULD NOT IMAGINE THERE WOULDN'T BE MOISTURE OR TSTMS OVER DENVER; AZ; MIDWEST. CAPT AND DISPATCH SAID ALL CLR. MY COMMON SENSE SAID NO WAY; DON'T GO AND I TOLD CAPT BUT HE OVERRULED. MY STRONG PREFERENCES WAS TO WAIT FOR MAINT TO SHOW UP AND FIX PROB BUT HE SEEMED IN A HURRY TO WANT TO GO SO WE DID. SURE ENOUGH; MOISTURE ALONG THE ENTIRE RTE OF FLT. WE WERE DIRECTLY IN ICING CONDITIONS; LIMITED TO FL300 AND SIMPLY FLEW IN ICING CONDITIONS FOR I BET AT LEAST 1 HR BECAUSE WE SIMPLY COULD NOT DEVIATE ENOUGH TO STAY OUT OF IT. I ALSO SUGGESTED WE DSND TO BELOW ICING CONDITIONS AND IF NEED TO STOP FOR GAS IN SAY DENVER THEN SO BE IT. HE REFUSED. BOTTOM LINE WE VIOLATED THE MEL BY FLYING IN ICING CONDITIONS. NOTE: WHY CAN'T ENG ICE BE USED? IT'S NOT SINGLE PACK; IT'S SINGLE BLEED INOP. LOOKING AT THE SYS SEEMS LIKE ENG ICE COULD STILL BE USED BUT NOT POSITIVE ON THIS. SIMPLY LOOKING AT MEL WE DID NOT COMPLY. THIS MEL SHOULD BE OUTLAWED. IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO FLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY VFR. FL300 IS PRIME ICING ALT. IT JUST SETS YOU UP TO FAIL. I FIRMLY BELIEVE THE DISPATCHER AND CAPT WERE TECHNICALLY LEGAL. THERE IS NO REASONABLE WAY FOR ANY PLT OR DISPATCHER TO GUARANTEE VFR AND NO ICING CONDITIONS THAT FAR. I MEAN YOU'RE FORECASTING CLOUD LAYERS STILL HRS IN THE FUTURE! A XCOUNTRY FLT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED LIKE THIS. A SHORT TRIP IN REAL TIME IS FINE; BUT IN THIS SCENARIO WX ACTED UP LIKE IT ALWAYS DID AND BIT US. DON'T ALLOW THIS MEL XCOUNTRY ANY MORE. NOTE; I'D LIKE A DETAILED ANSWER; SPECIFICALLY; WHY OUR MAINT CTLRS ARE NOT CALLING OUT STATION MAINT AFTER A WRITE-UP. THIS WHOLE ISSUE WOULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED HAD MAINT CTL DONE THEIR JOB. DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY THEY CONTINUE TO NOT DO THEIR JOB AND IT'S CAUSING DELAY AFTER DELAY. HOW HARD CAN THIS BE TO FIX? HAVE MAINT CTL DO THEIR DARN JOB. THE PLTS; FLT ATTENDANTS AND PAX ARE PAYING THE PRICE FOR THEIR CRAPPY JOB PERFORMANCE. IS ANYBODY OVERSEEING THOSE PEOPLE TO GET THIS PROB FIXED? SHOULD TAKE ABOUT 1 MIN TO SOLVE THE PROB AND ALL WE KEEP HEARING IS MGMNT IS LOOKING INTO IT. THAT'S BALONEY. GET MAINT CTL TO START DOING THEIR STINKING JOBS! SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 794953: JUST PRIOR TO DEP; I WAS ADVISED BY THE CREW THAT THERE WAS AN OPEN ITEM IN THEIR LOGBOOK FOR A #1 BLEED FAULT. MAINT CTL HAD NOT BEEN ADVISED; SO CONTRACT MAINT HAD NEVER BEEN CALLED OUT. IT WAS DETERMINED THAT MEL COULD BE APPLIED. THE MEL REQUIRES A FLT LEVEL RESTR OF 31000 FT AND NO KNOWN OR FORECAST ICING CAN EXIST ON THE RTE. THERE WERE SCATTERED TSTMS ON THE ORIGINAL FLT PLAN AND THE FLT HAD BEEN FILED AT FL360. I CANCELED THE FLT PLAN WITH ATC AND CHOSE ANOTHER RTE THAT SHOWED NO KNOWN OR FORECAST ICING AND FILED THE FLT AT FL310. I CHKED ALL AVAILABLE INFO AVAILABLE TO ME SUCH AS FREEZING LEVEL CHARTS/FORECAST PRECIP/PIREPS; ETC; AND DETERMINED THE RTE I CHOSE WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MEL. UPON ARR; THE FO CALLED ME AND ADVISED THE ACFT HAD EXPERIENCED ICING CONDITIONS. THE CAPT DID NOT AGREE AND I RESEARCHED AND FOUND NO ICING PIREPS. HOWEVER; I SAW NOTHING TO WARRANT THAT AS I WAS WATCHING THE FLT. AFTER I WAS INFORMED; I CHKED PIREPS TO SEE IF ICING HAD BEEN RPTED AND FOUND NO PIREPS EXISTED ON THE FILED RTE. FROM THE WX INFO I HAVE AVAILABLE TO ME AS A DISPATCHER I THOUGHT THE FLT PLANNED RTE WAS FREE OF ICING CONDITIONS. ONE CREW MEMBER THOUGHT THEY WERE EXPOSED TO ICING CONDITIONS DURING THE FLT. THIS COULD BE TRUE AS I WAS NOT IN THE ACFT TO OBSERVE. HE ADVISED ME HE WAS GOING TO FILL OUT A REPORT; SO I THOUGHT IT BEST THAT I DO THE SAME.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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