ATC AND FLT CREW DISAGREE WHETHER THE I-RNO LOC OR A HEADING IS TO BE FLOWN DEPARTING RWY 16R ON THE RNO 4 SID.

2008-08 · NASA ASRS report 802647

Date: 2008-08 · Aircraft: P180 Avanti · Phase: initial_climb

Anomalies: deviation-track-heading-all-types

Synopsis

ATC AND FLT CREW DISAGREE WHETHER THE I-RNO LOC OR A HEADING IS TO BE FLOWN DEPARTING RWY 16R ON THE RNO 4 SID.

Narrative

ASSIGNED DEPARTURE PROCEDURE WAS THE RENO FOUR FOR OUR TRIP TO ZZZ. THE COPILOT OBTAINED THE ATC CLEARANCE AND SET UP THE FMS FOR THE FLIGHT. DURING THE DEPARTURE CLIMB; ATC INQUIRED IF WE WERE TRACKING THE LOCALIZER. I REPLIED WE WERE RECEIVING A NAV FLAG ON 109.9 AS THAT WAS THE FIRST FREQUENCY I NOTICED ON THE DEP CHART. THE CONTROLLER'S RESPONSE WAS THAT THE FREQUENCY WAS 110.9. IN EITHER CASE; THIS CONFLICTED WITH THE RWY 16R DEPARTURE WHICH CALLS FOR AN ATC HEADING TO BE ASSIGNED. NO HEADING WAS ASSIGNED; SO WE WERE FLYING RUNWAY HEADING THINKING ONE WOULD BE ASSIGNED SHORTLY. WE WERE ORIGINALLY TO USE RWY 16L WHICH DOES CALL FOR TRACKING I-RNO OUTBOUND; BUT OUR RUNWAY WAS CHANGED TO RWY 16R WHEN WE CALLED FOR TAXI OUT. I BELIEVE THIS SITUATION AROSE DUE TO OUR DEPARTURE RUNWAY CHANGE AND THE DEPARTURE CONTROLLER POSSIBLY NOT BEING INFORMED OF THIS CHANGE. AS I STATED; THE RWY 16R RENO FOUR DP CALLS FOR A HEADING; NOT LOCALIZER TRACKING LIKE 16L DOES. CLEARANCE ORIGINALLY GAVE US RWY 16L AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE ORIGIN OF THE DISCREPANCY OF WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY DOING AND WHAT THE CONTROLLER EXPECTED. ANOTHER NOTE ABOUT THE DEP; BOTH I-RNO AND I-AGY (LOC FREQ FOR RWY 16R ARRIVALS) ARE SHOWN. THIS IS WHERE I PICKED UP THE 109.9 FREQUENCY DURING CLIMB WHICH I THOUGHT THE CONTROLLER WAS REFERRING TO. HOWEVER; I-AGY IS NOT USED FOR ANY OF THE DEPARTING RUNWAYS ON THAT DP PER THE TEXTUAL DESCRIPTION! IN MY OPINION; IT SHOULD NOT EVEN BE LISTED AS IT HAS NO FUNCTIONAL VALUE ON THIS DEP. AS HAPPENED TO US; IT MISLED ME TO SELECT THE WRONG FREQUENCY AFTER THE CONTROLLER QUERIED IF WE WERE TRACKING 'THE' LOCALIZER FOR THE (CONTROLLER'S PERCEIVED?) RWY 16L DEPARTURE (AGAIN; RWY 16R WAS OUR ACTUAL DEPARTURE RUNWAY AND IS A HEADING DEPARTURE). I SUGGEST DELETING I-AGY; 109.9; FROM THE RENO FOUR GRAPHIC TO PREVENT MISTUNING NAV EQUIPMENT.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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