TCA PENETRATION WITHOUT CLRNC.

1988-03 · NASA ASRS report 83424

Date: 1988-03 · Aircraft: Light Transport; Low Wing; 2 Turbojet Eng

Anomalies: deviation-discrepancy-procedural-far|other-airspace-violation-entry-or-exit

Synopsis

TCA PENETRATION WITHOUT CLRNC.

Narrative

ON 3/FRI/88; AT APPROX XA00 EST; I WAS CAPT ON AN LTT; CALL SIGN X. UPON MY PRETAXI CLRNC; MY COPLT INFORMED DET GND CTL OF OUR INTENTION TO CONDUCT A VFR RELOCATION TO DTW; A DISTANCE OF APPROX 18 NM; FOR FUEL AND THEN ON TO OUR FINAL DEST OF ADS. AT THIS TIME DET GND CTL INFORMED US THAT DEP WOULD PROVIDE ADVISORIES INTO DTW. WE THEN ASKED IF WE COULD GET TWR TO TWR SVC; AND DET AGAIN SAID THAT DEP WOULD PROVIDE ADVISORY SVC. WE WERE THEN CLRED FOR TKOF ON DET RWY 15 ONLY SEVERAL MINS BEHIND AN SMA. AFTER MY DEP; DET TWR BEGAN GIVING US A SERIES OF ADVISORIES ON THE POS OF THE SMA. AS PART OF OUR PRETKOF BRIEFING WE FAMILIARIZED OURSELVES WITH BOTH THE VERT AND LAT DIMENSIONS OF THE DET TCA. BECAUSE OF OUR KNOWLEDGE THAT WE WERE APCHING THE LAT BOUNDARY WHERE THE FLOOR OF THE TCA DROPPED TO 3000' MSL; WE ASKED DET TWR ON 2 SEPARATE OCCASIONS FOR A HDOF TO DEP. OUR SECOND REQUEST WAS APPROVED; UPON WHICH DEP ASKED US TO DSND TO 3000' MSL AND TO AVOID THE TCA. AT THIS POINT; I EXECUTED AN IMMEDIATE 45 DEG BANK TURN TO THE NW AND DSNDED TO 3000' MSL. NEXT; DEP HANDED US OFF TO DTW TWR WHO IN TURN INSTRUCTED US TO TURN INBND AND INTERCEPT THE LOC AND CLRED US FOR A VISUAL APCH TO DTW 21L. AS I WAS ESTABLISHED ON THE LOC; I WAS AT 3000' MSL AND 10 MI OUT. IN SUMMARY; I FEEL THAT THE FOLLOWING POINTS NEED TO BE CONSIDERED: I FEEL THAT DET TWR'S FAILURE TO ALLOW AN EXPEDITIOUS HDOF TO DTW APCH WAS NOT PROPER. MY DEP PROFILE WAS FLOWN; AS ALWAYS; TEXTBOOK PERFECT IN REGARD TO NOISE ABATEMENT TKOF; APPROPRIATE ALT SELECTION TO AVOID PENETRATION OF THE TCA AND MAINTAINING 200 KTS THROUGHOUT. OUR REPEATED REQUEST FOR A HDOF TO APCH CTL IN ORDER TO OBTAIN A CLRNC INTO THE TCA. FINALLY; OUR IMMEDIATE DSCNT TO 3000' MSL; AND A STEEP TURN TO COMPLY WITH APCH CTL'S REQUEST. I AM A PROFESSIONAL PLT; EXTENSIVELY TRAINED AND A PLT THAT TAKES GREAT PRIDE IN PROPER RADIO PHRASEOLOGY AND FLT PROFILES. IN ADDITION; THE SECOND PLT ON BOARD WAS EQUALLY PROFESSIONAL AND VERY CONSCIENTIOUS. I IN NO WAY FEEL I WAS AT FAULT; AND FURTHERMORE; I QUESTION IF INDEED THE TCA WAS EVEN ENTERED PRIOR TO RECEIVING CLRNC. IF ANYTHING; I FEEL THAT THE DET TWR PERSONNEL WERE NOT OPERATING UP TO SPEED. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 83891: THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON APCHES AS TO OUR CALL SIGN AND OUR EXACT LOCATION. IN DEFENSE OF DET TWR; THEY WERE ALSO TRYING TO GIVE TFC RPTS TO AN SMA THAT HAD DEPARTED PRIOR TO OUR ACFT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY FURTHER INFO FROM THE FAA. HAD GIVEN A RPT TO LCL OFFICE. ADMITS PROBABLY WAS JUST IN THE EDGE OF TCA DURING THE TURN AND DSCNT TO 3000'. WAS USING A COMMERCIAL CHART DEPICTING THE TCA AREA. RPTR FELT HE COULD BE CTLR'D TWR TO TWR. ADVISED THE AIRSPACE IS OWNED BY THE APCH CTLR AND UNLESS THERE IS A SPECIAL AGREEMENT; HE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH APCH CTLR FOR CLRNC. IS GOING TO HANG ONTO ID SLIP IN CASE SOMETHING COMES UP IN FUTURE.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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