MLG UNSURE OF CROSSING ALT AT MENLO INTERSECTION ON TIP TOE VISUAL APCH; AMDE ALT OK BUT WAS TOO FAST AND HAD SPEED DEVIATION.

1988-07 · NASA ASRS report 90740

Date: 1988-07 · Aircraft: Medium Large Transport; Low Wing; 2 Turbojet Eng

Anomalies: deviation-speed-all-types|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-clearance

Synopsis

MLG UNSURE OF CROSSING ALT AT MENLO INTERSECTION ON TIP TOE VISUAL APCH; AMDE ALT OK BUT WAS TOO FAST AND HAD SPEED DEVIATION.

Narrative

WE HAD ACCOMPLISHED THE BIG SUR PROFILE DESCENT FOR RWY 28 AT SFO AND WERE APCHING MENLO; THE LAST POINT ON THE PROFILE. OUR ALT WAS APPROX 6500' MSL AND 250 KTS WHEN THE CTLR DIRECTED US TO SLOW TO 170 KTS. HE THEN CLRED US TO CROSS MENLO AT OR ABOVE 4000'; CLRED VISUAL. THE CAPT THOUGHT THE CLRNC WAS MENLO AT OR BELOW 4000' AND READ BACK 'MENLO AT OR BELOW 4000'.' I COMMENTED I THOUGHT THE CLRNC WAS 'AT OR ABOVE 4000'.' THE CTLR WAS DIRECTING SEVERAL OTHER ACFT AND WE COULD NOT GET A RADIO CALL IN TO CLARIFY OUR CLRNC. SINCE WE WERE APCHING MENLO AND THERE WAS A DOUBT CONCERNING WHETHER THE CLRNC WAS AT OR ABOVE OR AT OR BELOW 4000'; THE CAPT SAID TO CROSS MENLO AT 4000'. I USED THE SPOILERS AND GEAR TO GET DOWN IN A HURRY TO 4000' AND MADE THE XING; BUT AS A RESULT COULD NOT SLOW DOWN TO 170 KTS AS THE CTLR HAD DIRECTED. SHORTLY AFTER MENLO THE CTLR ASKED OUR AIRSPD; TO WHICH THE CAPT RESPONDED; 'WE ARE TRYING TO SLOW DOWN; WE ARE AT 235' (THIS WAS ACCURATE). THE CTLR THEN POINTED OUT WDB TFC 3.5 MI AHEAD AT OUR ALT TURNING ON THE FINAL. WE HAD THE TFC IN SIGHT; BUT THE CTLR GAVE US A HDG BEHIND THE WDB AWAY FROM THE ARPT TO ACHIEVE SPACING BEHIND THE HVY. WE TURNED BACK TO THE FIELD AFTER THE SPACING WAS ACHIEVED AND COMPLETED THE APCH. WE WERE BOTH NEW TO WEST COAST FLYING AND THIS PARTICULAR TIP TOE VISUAL APCH WHICH DIRECTS ACFT TO CROSS MENLO AT OR ABOVE 4000'. REMEMBERING THIS MIGHT HAVE CLRED UP OUR CONFUSION AND ALLOWED US TO SLOW AS DIRECTED. ALSO; I WAS USING THE ACFT FMC WHICH PUT US AT 6000' AT MENLO. BEING AT 6000' WELL PRIOR TO MENLO WOULD HAVE HELPED OUR APCH.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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