A B767-300 Captain reported that his Company's de-ice procedure does not include the post application check reporting type(s) of fluid or hold over time as required by the FAR.

2010-12 · NASA ASRS report 923637

Date: 2010-12 · Aircraft: B767-300 and 300 ER · Phase: ground

Anomalies: deviation-discrepancy-procedural-published-material-policy|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-far

Synopsis

A B767-300 Captain reported that his Company's de-ice procedure does not include the post application check reporting type(s) of fluid or hold over time as required by the FAR.

Narrative

After de-ice; the mechanic came on the headset and said de-ice was complete and nothing else. When I asked for the hold over start time; the mechanic had to flag down the de-ice truck and get that information. He did not say anything about the type of fluid or dilution. I read type and dilution information off the side of the de-ice truck. I did not know that to be accurate; but it was at least something to go on. The mechanic indicated that most Captains don't ask for such information. Since there was no active PRECIP and our departure was not going to encounter any delay; I decided not to press the issue. We departed within a few minutes without incident. This is not the first time I have encountered this in our Company's system. Why does this have to be so hard? There are fairly simple procedures published in the 757/767 AOM to be followed in instances of de-ice. I suspect that somewhere there are corresponding procedures for ground personnel to follow. Ground personnel should be trained that flight crews are issued non-optional procedures to follow in case of de-ice. To employ these procedures; the flight crew needs three basic pieces of information: 1) The hold over start time (time of first application of final de-ice treatment); 2) The brand name and type of fluid used; 3) The dilution of the de-ice fluid.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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