COMMUTER LTT MADE TKOF AFTER CLRNC VOID TIME.

1988-08 · NASA ASRS report 93182

Date: 1988-08 · Aircraft: Light Transport; Low Wing; 2 Turboprop Eng · Phase: takeoff

Anomalies: deviation-discrepancy-procedural-far|deviation-discrepancy-procedural-clearance

Synopsis

COMMUTER LTT MADE TKOF AFTER CLRNC VOID TIME.

Narrative

TWR NOT YET OPEN. STARTED OUR TAXIOUT TO RWY 29. I WAS CONDUCTING REQUIRED ACFT CHKS; WHILE MY F/O WAS GETTING THE CLRNC AND A VOID TIME. I DID NOT HEAR THESE; BUT MY F/O ACCEPTED THE CLRNC AND VOID TIME. BASED ON MY F/O'S EXPERIENCE; 7 YRS AND OVER 1 YR FLYING WITH COMPANY INVOLVED IN THIS RPT; I TRUSTED HIM TO ACCEPT A REASONABLE VOID TIME. I HAD BEEN FLYING WITH HIM THE PREVIOUS 3 WKS. HE TOLD ME WE HAD TO HURRY SO WE WOULD MAKE OUR VOID TIME; SO I COMPLETED THE CHKS. WE DID OUR BEFORE TKOF CHKLISTS; ROLLED OUT ONTO THE RWY AND TOOK OFF. ABOUT 1 MINUTE AFTER TKOF WE CALLED ZLA. THE CTLR WAS ANGRY; SAID WE MISSED OUR VOID TIME BY 1 1/2 MIN. MY F/O LOOKED AT HIS WATCH AND SAID THE TIME WAS 55 1/2. OUR VOID TIME WAS 54. THIS INCIDENT ONLY CAUSED; AS FAR AS I KNOW; THE CTLR TO VECTOR US AROUND BECAUSE ANOTHER COMMUTER WAS INBND ON THE LOC APCH TO RWY 11. I AM POSITIVE THAT THIS INCIDENT DID NOT CAUSE A NEAR MISS. THE CTLR WAS MAINLY UPSET BECAUSE WE MISSED THE VOID TIME. WE DID MISS THE VOID TIME BY ABOUT 1/2-1 MIN. I ATTRIBUTE MY MISTAKE TO PUTTING TOO MUCH TRUST AND AUTHORITY IN MY F/O. I SHOULD HAVE ASKED HIM SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE VOID TIME WAS BEFORE WE TAXIED ONTO THE RWY AND MADE MY OWN DECISION WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN NOT TO ACCEPT A VOID TIME THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO HAVE TO HURRY. I HAVE BEEN ON RESERVE AND HAD BEEN DOING A LOT OF FLYING WITH REDUCED REST; OVERNIGHTS WHERE YOU GET ABOUT 6 1/2 HRS OF SLEEP. I MYSELF GET TOTALLY EXHAUSTED FROM COMMUTER FLYING AND NEED EVEN MORE TIME TO SLEEP THAN 8 HRS. MISCOM AMONG THE CREW; EVEN THOUGH YOU TRUST ANOTHER CREWMEMBER; YOU NEED TO KNOW ALL THE FACTS SO THAT I COULD HAVE MADE THE DECISION AND NOT HIM. FIRST LEG OF THE DAY; NOT VERY ALERT; BECAUSE IT'S EARLY.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

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