ACR LGT MADE TKOF AFTER BEING ADVISED BY ANOTHER COMPANY ACFT THAT THE FLT CREW HAD OBSERVED FUEL LEAKING FROM THE #1 ENGINE POD.

1988-10 · NASA ASRS report 95472

Date: 1988-10 · Aircraft: Large Transport; Low Wing; 2 Turbojet Eng

Anomalies: aircraft-equipment-problem-critical

Synopsis

ACR LGT MADE TKOF AFTER BEING ADVISED BY ANOTHER COMPANY ACFT THAT THE FLT CREW HAD OBSERVED FUEL LEAKING FROM THE #1 ENGINE POD.

Narrative

ON TAXI OUT FROM DFW; OUR FLT TO TPA; AN LGT. IN BACK OF US A WDB ASKED US TO COME UP COMPANY MTC FREQ. ON THAT FREQ HE ADVISED US THAT WHENEVER WE STOPPED WE SPILLED A FLUID UNDERNEATH THE LEFT ENG. HE SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE LGT AND ASKED ABOUT US. I ADVISED HIM THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DRAINS THERE AND DURING ENG SHUTDOWN THERE IS FLUID THAT DRAINS OUT THERE. HE THEN REPEATED THAT IT APPEARS THAT EVERY TIME WE STOP IT APPEARS THAT FLUID COMES OUT UNDER #1. I AND THE CAPT CHKED ALL ENG INSTRUMENTS; HYDRAULICS; FUEL FLOW AND OIL QTY AND PRESSURE--EVERYTHING WAS NORMAL. I ADVISED THE WDB THAT EVERYTHING WAS NORMAL UP HERE. ANOTHER FEW MINS WENT BY BEFORE TKOF AND ALL ENG SYSTEMS WERE NORMAL. I ASKED THE CAPT TO MAKE A TIGHT TURN ON TXWY TO LINE UP WITH RWY TO CHK TO SEE IF WE COULD SEE ANY FLUID. HE DIDN'T SEE ANY AND SAID HE FELT THERE WAS NO PROB. I DID NOT DISAGREE WITH HIS ASSESSMENT AND WE MADE A NORMAL TKOF. AFTER TKOF ROLL TWR AND THE WDB AS WELL AS AN ACR X LGT NOTICED FLUID POURING FROM ENG. WE RETURNED TO DFW AND MAINT DISCOVERED FUEL LEAK FROM FUEL START BLEED ACTIVATOR (NOT SURE OF TERMINOLOGY FOR THIS PART). IN RETROSPECT; HAD THE OTHER ACFT BEEN MORE DEFINITE OR THERE HAD BEEN ANY COCKPIT INDICATION WE WOULD HAVE RETURNED TO THE GATE. I DID NOT FEEL FROM HIS DESCRIPTION THAT WE HAD AN ACTIVE LEAK. IT IS NOT ABNORMAL FOR AN LGT TO DRIP FUEL ON SHUTDOWN AND I THOUGHT MAYBE THIS WAS JUST SLOSHING AS WE STOPPED ON TXWY AND NOT AN ACTIVE LEAK IN PROGRESS. IN PAST 2 YRS ON THE LGT I HAVE NOTICED A NUMBER OF FUEL DRIPS DURING WALKAROUNDS; NOTIFIED MAINT; WHO SIGNED OFF SUCH LEAKS AS THEY STOP WITHIN A SPECIFIED TIME FRAME. I'M NOT PRIVY TO HOW MUCH FLUID THE ACFT BEHIND US NOTICED. TO MY MIND; AT THE TIME; IT DIDN'T SEEM AS IT WAS ENOUGH TO BE OF SERIOUS CONCERN. IN RETROSPECT I SHOULD HAVE INSISTED ON THE CAPT TO RETURN TO GATE FOR A MAINT INSPECTION. THIS WAS THE CAPT'S FIRST FLT AFTER BEING CHKED OUT ON THE LGT AND I WAS MAKING SPECIAL EFFORTS THAT EVERYTHING ON HIS SIDE AS WELL AS MINE WAS SET PROPERLY. THIS MAY HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO ME NOT REALIZING THE POTENTIAL SERIOUSNESS OF THE PROB. DURING ENG START IN THE RAMP NO WINGWALKERS OR MARSHALLER OR TUG DRIVER NOTICED ANYTHING UNUSUAL. NOTHING WAS NOTICED DURING A CONGESTED INITIAL TAXI OUT. AFTER TAXI IN FROM RETURN THE LEAK WAS SEVERE. THE MAINT PERSONNEL SPECULATED A SLIGHT LEAK ON TAXIOUT THAT LET GO WHEN TKOF PWR WAS APPLIED. AS A COPLT IN THESE SITUATIONS I FEEL I'M IN A VERY DUBIOUS POS. I TRY NOT TO CONFLICT WITH THE CAPT'S OPINION UNLESS AN OBVIOUS OR POTENTIALLY OBVIOUS DANGEROUS SITUATION EXISTS. THERE ARE SITUATIONS THAT COME UP FAIRLY OFTEN WHERE I WOULD HANDLE THINGS DIFFERENTLY THAN THE CAPT THAT I AM FLYING WITH; HOWEVER FOR THE SAKE OF CREW INTEGRITY AND FOR A BETTER COCKPIT ATMOSPHERE AND ULTIMATELY A SAFER ATMOSPHERE; IT IS BETTER NOT TO SECOND GUESS UNTIL THERE IS A CLEANCUT NEED FOR IT. IN THIS SITUATION LOOKING BACK AT IT WITH PLENTY OF TIME TO REFLECT; IT IS VERY EASY TO THINK THAT I MADE A MISTAKE. HOWEVER; I NEVER FELT AT THE TIME; NOR DO I NOW; THAT I EXPOSED THE AIRPLANE OR PAX TO AN UNSAFE CONDITION. THERE NEVER WAS AN EMER SITUATION; OR UNUSUAL COCKPIT INDICATIONS. I AM GLAD THE OTHER ACFT BROUGHT THE PROB TO ATTN WHICH MADE OTHERS SCRUTINIZE OUR TKOF WHICH IS WHEN AN ACTUAL LEAK BECAME APPARENT.

Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.

Loading the flight search…

Frequently asked questions

How do I search flights by aircraft type on FlightFinder?

Pick an aircraft model — Boeing 737, Airbus A320, A380, Boeing 787 Dreamliner and more — enter your origin airport, and FlightFinder shows every route that plane flies from there with live fares.

Which aircraft types can I filter by?

We support Boeing 737/747/757/767/777/787, the full Airbus A220/A319/A320/A321/A330/A340/A350/A380 family, Embraer E170/E175/E190/E195, Bombardier CRJ and Dash 8, and the ATR 42/72 turboprops.

Is FlightFinder free to use?

Search and schedules are free. Pro ($4.99/month, $39/year, or $99 one-time lifetime) unlocks the enriched flight card — on-time stats, CO₂ per passenger, amenities, live gate & weather — plus My Trips with push alerts.

Where does the route data come from?

Live schedules come from Amadeus, AeroDataBox and Travelpayouts. Observed routes (which aircraft actually flew a given city pair) are crowdsourced from adsb.lol ADS-B data under the Open Database License.