1988-10 · NASA ASRS report 97236
ACR MLG FAILED TO FOLLOW SID ALTS.
FLT WAS GIVEN PEBLE 1 SID FROM SAN CLRNC. ON TKOF CLRNC FROM TWR WE WERE GIVEN 'MAINTAIN 14000'.' BECAUSE OF PREVIOUS MISUNDERSTANDINGS WITH ATC I ELECTED TO QUESTION DEP TO SEE IF THE 8000' RESTRICTION XING THE OCN 160 DEG R STILL APPLIED. WE WERE TOLD: 'TWR GAVE YOU 14000'; IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO ME. MAINTAIN THE RESTRICTION.' WE MAINTAINED 8000' ACROSS THE 160 DEG R AND THEN DEP AGAIN TOLD US: 'WELL WE AREN'T COMMUNICATING. YOU SHOULD NOW BE CLBING TO 14000'.' I CONSIDER THE WHOLE SITUATION TO BE A CLASSIC COMS SCREW UP WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED BY THE CTLR'S ADHERENCE TO 7110.65 AND THAT USE OF STANDARD PHRASEOLOGY. WE CONSIDERED THAT WHEN THE TWR TOLD US TO MAINTAIN 14000' THAT THE 8000' RESTRICTION WAS DELETED. WHEN THE DEP CTLR SAID THAT 14000' MEANT NOTHING TO HIM; WE WERE CONFUSED AS TO WHERE TWR GOT THE 14000' IF NOT FROM DEP. IT APPEARS THAT MANY CTLRS IN SOUTHERN CA ARE ATTEMPTING TO TAKE OUT THEIR FRUSTRATIONS AT LOSING ACR A BY 'BEATING UP' ON EAST COAST ACR B CREWS WITH 1; 2 OR 3 DIGIT FLT #'S AS OPPOSED TO THE TRADITIONAL 4 DIGIT ACR A NUMBERS THAT ACR B IS USING FOR CALIF CREWS. THERE ALSO SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF 'LCL UNDERSTANDINGS' IN CALIF THAT DO NOT ADHERE TO 7110 OR THE AIM AND THAT MANY CTLRS ARE TAKING GREAT GLEE IN TRYING TO TRIP UP CREWS UNFAMILIAR WITH A LOT OF THESE 'LCL UNDERSTANDINGS.'
Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (public domain). Reports are voluntary submissions and are not verified by NASA.
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